Could Marsh be recalled from Widnes or does he have to play there for a month or so first?

Well that made me laugh. Gareth Thomas retired because he was past it, which he was before he joined the Crusaders. The negativity was simple realism that he was err, rubbish.

Its not been confirmed yet that Carmont is out, he does have a thumb injury but doesn't yet know if it will stop him from playing or not (from the horses mouth)

Yes he was well past his sell by date a few years ago tbh. Problem is unless Gelling is ready to play in SL then at centres were lacking and Goulding is not good enough at centre. This is not a reaction to his performance on Sunday but overall at centre he has been poor and not even SL standard at centre. He is a decent winger which he has proved. When Gleeson went we should have paid a fee for Ratchford and given him back to Salford last year on loan.

Now we are stuck with no kicking game which many have seen coming this season and no cover at centres or hooker.

Realism now is unless Amos is back at his best and thats not going happen and Gelling clicks with Richards if selected we are going to struggle this season. Not entirely a bad thing Leeds proved that last season but pressure will grow on Wane and when you look at it he has inherited a decent side with a massive hole in 2 areas atm.

It seems centres are at a premium in the game as a whole, any reason why this is as i cant believe the game / coaches could be so short sighted ?

Wayne must feel like the worlds against him. A result on Saturday and all the posts on here will change even mine



But ill go Leeds with 10.

We face a pretty decent back line on Saturday, so selection will be a headache given our lack of depth in this area. In my opinion, the earlier suggestion to go with Russell on the wing and Charnley at centre is the best call. Haven't seen Gelling play yet but I don't like the idea of the lad making his debut against Leeds with Richards outside him -partly because Pat looked yards off the pace at the weekend. I doubt it will happen though and hope Gelling (and Pat) prove me wrong.

The strength in depth we have in the second row and props for instance in comparison with the centre position does make me wonder if academy lads with a bit of pace are being pushed towards the second row position rather than centre. I know the centre is a position that requires fairly specific skills relative to being in the forwards, but I do wonder if there is a bias at junior coaching level. Or perhaps it's just that "centres are born, not made" and the skill set required is pretty rare.

www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480 Wane suggests there won't be any changes apart from Farrell, no mention of Carmont

www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480 Wane suggests there won't be any changes apart from Farrell, no mention of Carmont

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Who would everyone pick to replace Farrel on the bench?

Me, I'd go for Spencer. He impressed greatly during the friendly's and deserves a chance.

Quote ="[Gareth"not the most reliable but........ www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_4226033'" definite blow if he's out for the four weeks, Finch said at the riversiders meeting last night that he would be out for 4 weeks but this morning he said himself before he had seen the specialist that he wasn't sure and was hoping he could play on with it. The fact that Wane is even saying 4 weeks does suggest its not been good news from the specialist.

Quote ="[Gareth"not the most reliable but........ www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_4226033'" definite blow if he's out for the four weeks, Finch said at the riversiders meeting last night that he would be out for 4 weeks but this morning he said himself before he had seen the specialist that he wasn't sure and was hoping he could play on with it. The fact that Wane is even saying 4 weeks does suggest its not been good news from the specialist.

I don't have a problem with us letting him leave. It is just a shame we couldn't bring in a class replacement.

Gleeson
Joel
Carmont

Now down to the bare bones without an established player.

One can only assume nobody was available.

think its confirmed on the official site...

He played the whole second half with the broken thumb aswell.

Bit of a nightmare scenario this if Gelling isn't match fit, may have to bring back Roberts and play Charnley centre.

Roberts is still injured isn't he? It will be gelling, straight swap

Roberts is a good few weeks off being fit so he won't be playing.

IMO it'll be Jack Hughes or Gelling at centre with Charnley being an outside bet.

Jack Hughes?? Wellens has more pace than him...

That's being a little harsh. His pace for a back row forward is very good and he's got enough pace to allow him to make some decent breaks.

I disagree, maybe at a lower level but this isnt the 20's

maybe it's about time our owner stuck his hand in his pocket and sign some real talent, fair enough we probably can't afford it for this season but how's about getting a couple of top players from down under for next season (pref. NZ/Islanders), yes he has worked wonders with the club getting everything sorted after the last set of buffoons were in power, but let's face it, we ain't going to be a major force using just local up and coming talent, if Saints can continue to sign decent players why can't we?

STOP IT.... I like to disagree with you!!!!!

Saints have lost Graham, Pryce, Eastmond, Moore etc and signed a 31 year forward, another forward who wasn't good enough for Wigan, and Howler.

The exchange rate at the moment is against signing top class overseas players (over 50% down on four years ago)

Let's see what happens when we lose Tommy, Finch, Fielden etc next year (a big portion of the salary cap)

That is more than a little harsh. Hughes has reasonable pace and there is absolutely no one as slow as Wellens.

Howler a world cup winner and the forward who turned down wigan after they tried to resign him|?

We have lost cap every year but gone backwards

No. Let's try and understand what has happened NOW. AFTER we have lost Gleeson and Tomkins.

I will give you Coley has been replaced.