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| Quote ="cadoo"For all of our players to keep putting in chicken wing, kung fu, flying leg kick, missile drop attack, army cutter knife jack hammer throw, ninja tackles in every single game.'"
Not to mention keep the RFL firmly in our pocket and get refs that allow us and only us to get away with it!
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| Quote ="cadoo"For all of our players to keep putting in chicken wing, kung fu, flying leg kick, missile drop attack, army cutter knife jack hammer throw, ninja tackles in every single game.'"
This is true, dirty team in the history of RL, not to mention cheats aswell, breaking the cap, Sam tomkins...........
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| To keep our main men fit is the most important. Mossop is in fine form as are Finch and George. We'll need to get the bounce of the ball now and then too.
Play to our potential and it is a possibility.
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| Quote ="21-12"This is true, dirty team in the history of RL, not to mention cheats aswell, breaking the cap, Sam tomkins...........
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Dont forget we've been fully professional since 1872
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| Errors. Loads on Wednesday and loads against Leeds. Without gifting field position we are good enough to beat every team, most quite easily.
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| I like most others would like to see a little more aggression from Wigan in contact.
I'd also like to see us play a little more off the cuff rugby at times. We can be a little predictable on occasions.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"I like most others would like to see a little more aggression from Wigan in contact.
I'd also like to see us play a little more off the cuff rugby at times. We can be a little predictable on occasions.'"
Forums would be in melt down with fans wanting some of our players in jail with more aggresion
I agree though Huddersfield at home showed that when we are aggresive we look really good! When that drops teams get cheap yards!
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| Stop Prescotts head bleeding.
Or, we could just find that extra gear that we was able to get last year, and then maintain it for 80 minutes or so during the game. Keeping injury free is obviously a huge factor too.
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| Luck and a dose of diarrhoea to sweep through the Wire dressing room.
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| Quote ="21-12"I think the whole club has got one eye on the cup game at Warrington which may explain the "taking the foot off the gas" we cant afford to do this and we have to take it one game at a time but the cup game is a massive day for the whole club, the players, fans etc Its a long time since we have been to wembley and Lenegan made a point of saying several times when he took over that his dream was to walk out Wigan at wembley. Im expecting a massive, massive performance by us at Warrington.'"
Probably right.
We still have not reached our potential. Finch and Lima are starting to click... the team is coming together and I think a win in the cup could give us a huge boost. There is a lot more to come from this team.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Errors. Loads on Wednesday and loads against Leeds. Without gifting field position we are good enough to beat every team, most quite easily.'"
On a more serious note this is absolutely spot on. Wigan cut out the errors and we will dominate most games. Our forwards are very strong, our kicking has improved significantly and we have some extremely clinical and potent threats in the backs. With a ruthless and well drilled defence we will dominate just like we did against Saints and Huddersfield. Start making too many errors and we give teams like Leeds and Castleford a chance. Fortunately we have Sam Tomkins who can cheat us through those kind of matches. I still hate him though.
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| I think errors hold Wigan back more than most teams, especially Warrington, because of the way the team attacks. The reason Wire seem to rack up loads and loads of points is because their attack mostly comes from offloads, which can be done anywhere on the field and frequently lead to quick tries because the attack is very fluid. Obviously they also have the quality players which make them so dangerous when they attack and make offloads seem effortless.
Wigan's attack is much more structured, which is why it's harder to pile so many points on against weaker opposition. Most attacks need to be set up and then organised before the play is executed and that means that errors can be pretty costly, and the structure needs to be built up again. A few times the team can create something spontaneous from nothing, or very little, and it usually has something to do with Sam Tomkins, but generally the attacks are structured and planned and errors become very costly. The team also seems to attack in the same manner whether the score is 0-18, 16 all or 48-0.
That's why I think Wire can be so successful despite having a high error rate, whereas when Wigan start to make more errors, even if the team are still near the bottom of the league in terms of total errors made, it makes a significant difference to the attacking form of the team.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"I think errors hold Wigan back more than most teams, especially Warrington, because of the way the team attacks. The reason Wire seem to rack up loads and loads of points is because their attack mostly comes from offloads, which can be done anywhere on the field and frequently lead to quick tries because the attack is very fluid. Obviously they also have the quality players which make them so dangerous when they attack and make offloads seem effortless.
Wigan's attack is much more structured, which is why it's harder to pile so many points on against weaker opposition. Most attacks need to be set up and then organised before the play is executed and that means that errors can be pretty costly, and the structure needs to be built up again. A few times the team can create something spontaneous from nothing, or very little, and it usually has something to do with Sam Tomkins, but generally the attacks are structured and planned and errors become very costly. The team also seems to attack in the same manner whether the score is 0-18, 16 all or 48-0.
That's why I think Wire can be so successful despite having a high error rate, whereas when Wigan start to make more errors, even if the team are still near the bottom of the league in terms of total errors made, it makes a significant difference to the attacking form of the team.'"
excellent post.... Do you think maguire sets the attacking plays in training and instructs the players accordingly?
Tony Smith has said that he only works on defence with the players... he lets them figure out the attacking plays for themselves.
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| Sign Phil Bailey for that essential experience.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Do you think maguire sets the attacking plays in training and instructs the players accordingly?'"
Undoubtedly.
Some of the moves are repeated, and very organised, must be direction from the Coach involved.
Plus, Hoffman said he recognised a lot of the moves the team did from his time at Melbourne when he came over, which enabled him to settle in to training a lot quicker.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"excellent post.... Do you think maguire sets the attacking plays in training and instructs the players accordingly?
Tony Smith has said that he only works on defence with the players... he lets them figure out the attacking plays for themselves.'"
Most of the plays look like they are planned meticulously on the training ground. There are moves that have been repeated quite a few times and when the team execute those planned moves it's very hard for teams to defend against them. The benefit of the way Wigan play is that practice makes perfect. The players become familiar with their routines and it tends to prevent any panic plays. As someone with OCD, I love watching some of Wigan's well drilled, perfectly executed and well planned attacking moves. I admit I enjoy watching Warrington when they are attacking too, I just wish they'd be a bit more organised and a little neater.
As an analogy, Wigan as a team are a bit like a German car manufacturer like Audi or Volkswagen. It's all about efficiency, doing the simple things and doing them well and trying to make things run like clockwork.
Wire are like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Very flashy, very entertaining to watch and when it comes to power and performance they beat the others convincingly.
Just like the sports cars though I think Warrington live dangerously. Just like speeding round corners and going full throttle is high risk, offloading in rugby league can also be very risky. If they come off it's almost impossible to stop but taking too many risks will occasionally have pretty bad consequences.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"
As an analogy, Wigan as a team are a bit like a German car manufacturer like Audi or Volkswagen. It's all about efficiency, doing the simple things and doing them well and trying to make things run like clockwork.
Wire are like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Very flashy, very entertaining to watch and when it comes to power and performance they beat the others convincingly.
Just like the sports cars though I think Warrington live dangerously. Just like speeding round corners and going full throttle is high risk, offloading in rugby league can also be very risky. If they come off it's almost impossible to stop but taking too many risks will occasionally have pretty bad consequences.'"
nice analogy...totally agree with this.
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| We need to defend for our lives at Wire in the cup for the first 20 minutes, they are blowing teams away. We need patience and will get our chance early in the second half, this is when they seem vulnerable.
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| i's between you and wire now after our abject failures in recent weeks against you both, not much between you both but im sure the VR's could help you in some way
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| Quote ="21-12"We need to defend for our lives at Wire in the cup for the first 20 minutes, they are blowing teams away. We need patience and will get our chance early in the second half, this is when they seem vulnerable.'"
I presume you are basing that on last nights game? Don't forget we lost two forwards for the second half..which made us look more vulnerable because we tired. I agree about the first 20 though...its something we have been doing to many teams this year...initial 20 mins blitz..game over before its started.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"I presume you are basing that on last nights game? Don't forget we lost two forwards for the second half..which made us look more vulnerable because we tired. I agree about the first 20 though...its something we have been doing to many teams this year...initial 20 mins blitz..game over before its started.'"
Yes, the slight lapse at the begining of the second period may be a mental thing having built such a strong lead. If our defence is as good as it was last season and we can keep you out in the first 20, it makes for a very special cup tie in the second half, no doubt the best 2 teams in SL by quite a distance, a well structured, patient Wigan side against the most entertaining team in SL, I cant wait.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"As an analogy, Wigan as a team are a bit like a German car manufacturer like Audi or Volkswagen. It's all about efficiency, doing the simple things and doing them well and trying to make things run like clockwork.
Wire are like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Very flashy, very entertaining to watch and when it comes to power and performance they beat the others convincingly.
Just like the sports cars though I think Warrington live dangerously. Just like speeding round corners and going full throttle is high risk, offloading in rugby league can also be very risky. If they come off it's almost impossible to stop but taking too many risks will occasionally have pretty bad consequences.'"
Nice bit of writing that, a class above the usual drivell written on these boards (including my own "work"icon_wink.gif.
Its so good I've got a prize for you: the choice is a VW Golf or a Ferrari 458.
Which do you want?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Nice bit of writing that, a class above the usual drivell written on these boards (including my own "work"icon_wink.gif.
Its so good I've got a prize for you: the choice is a VW Golf or a Ferrari 458.
Which do you want?'"
I think it was more a BMW 850 csl or an Audi R8 against a Fiat punto
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Nice bit of writing that, a class above the usual drivell written on these boards (including my own "work"icon_wink.gif.
Its so good I've got a prize for you: the choice is a VW Golf or a Ferrari 458.
Which do you want?'"
Well, obviously a Ferrari 458 would be great, but since I'm 20 years old imagine what the insurance would be for that!! For practical reasons it would have to be the VW Golf.
Quote ="21-12"We need to defend for our lives at Wire in the cup for the first 20 minutes, they are blowing teams away. We need patience and will get our chance early in the second half, this is when they seem vulnerable.'"
I think it's important to defend well in this period but I think the biggest problem that teams have against Wire is how they react to the opening 20 minute blitz. When Wire score some quick tries and get a good early lead teams seem to panic and forget what they came there to do. I imagine most coaches would be asking their teams to keep it simple for the opening period, play sensibly and only risk things when in good position. As soon as it's 18-0 teams seem to panic, like Huddersfield did last night and take risk in their own half and try to force a play.
There was a point in the game where Brown was trying to force a pass down the left to Hodgson and made a mess of it. I remember thinking that the most sensible thing would be to just drive it in and get a kick away and force Warrington back, playing for territory before trying to claw the points back. Wire ended up scoring on the back of that error.
When Saints came back against Warrington it seemed to have a lot to do with them taking a much more simple, low risk approach by taking the ball in from dummy half and kicking sensibly. It also helped that they had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves because young players are so full of belief in their own ability that they always think they can pull the game back. Their heads didn't drop and they went back to a simple game plan.
What Wigan need to do is to not panic if Wire manage to get some early points on the board, although it's much easier said than done. If the team keeps completing sets then it's likely that field position will be good. Wire make more errors than any other team in Super League and forcing them to make mistakes in their own half presents good opportunities.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Nice bit of writing that, a class above the usual drivell written on these boards (including my own "work"icon_wink.gif.
Its so good I've got a prize for you: the choice is a VW Golf or a Ferrari 458.
Which do you want?'"
A Golf or an Alfa would be a closer comparison. Functional efficiency against flashy but unreliable.
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