Not at all, but look through the history of teams after the WCC. Leeds, Saints, Bradford all went through rough patches after this game and keeping with tradition, so are we.
Not to mention the injuries we have/had, which ever is more appropriate.

I too hope it happens, and if it were me in that team I'd be thinking in the mentality of sending him home on a high. But fairytale endings are few and far between in sport.

When this Maguire to Souths rumour first came about I was of the opinion that if he went then he was abandoning the club and not fulfilling his contract etc. But the guy has come in, inherited a team that was consistently mediocre (plus Deacon, a very shrewd signing IMO) and turned that team into champions. He was an unproven head coach that has, in effect, now proven himself. Going by what I've read on here he has every right to leave after two years for a head coach role in the nrl, he has earnt that by doing so well at Wigan. To expect him to not look for a job till the end of this season would be unrealistic and impractical for both Maguire and us looking for a replacement (whether that be Wane or someone else). Presuming that clause is in his contract then Lenegan and the club will have expected this move since we won the league last year, they would have been foolish not to. As has been said, should it be confirmed that Maguire is leaving at the end of year I'd expect the players to push and send him off in style. He has afterall, with the help of Wane, reinstated that winning mentality at Wigan. I'd also hope the fans would get behind him and appreciate that the guy did great things last year and has every right to further his career, in line with the clauses we put into his contract. It's a job at the end of the day, I wouldn't begrudge him a better paid job that allowed him to move home, how many on here would turn down that opportunity in their own line of work?

Let's not write off this season either! We've had some bad results, so have Wire, Saints and Leeds. We will be there or thereabouts at the end of the year, hopefully challenging for both the cup and league. To blame the poor results on Maguire seems ridiculous to me, with all the issues and distractions we've had, then there's the fact that this is sport and bad games/results happen! I'd still rather be in this position than where we were two seasons ago, or worse in 2006!!! I'd just hope that the club announce, when it is confirmed, what is happening so we can get on with the rest of the season.

Spot on.

How good is this Wane bloke? Good pedigree etc?

Personally, I'd like to see Wane promoted and Radlinski to become his No2.

Won everything as coach at academy, (both levels.) Every player I know who has played under him trusts and respects him.

Oh and if you don't do as he says, he'll kick your bloody head in.

Does anyone actually know if Wane actually is this tough disciplinarian. I know he is very friendly with the young lads cos hes been with them since they were in the academy but I often think Maguire is the main one who instilled the discipline as he came with no pre conceived ideas or relationships with any of the players.
I'm also worried that our pulling power in terms of recruitment may suffer with Maguire leaving. I don't see us being able to lure the calibre of NRL players like Hoffman and Finch without a respected Aussie/Kiwi coach. The only hope is Maguire puts in a good word. I reckon bring in Adrian Lam as assistant

It's refreshing to see a club promote within, rather than going out and trying to attract a big name. The players will be familiar with him and shouldn't be too much unrest.

It's a common misconception that Wane is the 'bad cop' in the Madge/Wane partnership. The real 'bad cop' is Madge and Wane is the soothing voice in the changing room.

That can work both ways though. If players are too comfortable within the system it can lead to complacency in training and performance. I think Wane deserves a shot at the top job and I'm sure he'll say he's ready for it but I'm always wary of a coach being over-familiar with his squad, especially when it comes to making tough selection decisions

To be fair, the assistant is usually the "good cop" bridge between head coach and players. I'm sure Wane's approach would change if he got the top job and another "good cop" assistant would take his place.

I dont mind if Maguire goes at the end of the season as he has done his job here and it was always viewed as a stepping stone to going back to Aus. However, what I dont want to happen (which inevitably will) is that when its announced during the season, then we go on to lose a game. You will hear from fans 'His head isnt in the job' and 'Get rid now' etc. This isn't going to help whatsoever.

I thought that was the reason for last Friday's performance?

I know the club said he has a contract for 2010, 2011 and 2012. That is a fact. It was stated in October 2009 when he was appointed so the fact its "old" has nothing to do with the facts it contains. Do you expect them to repeat it once a month or something so the facts don't fade away?

The bit underlined is exactly what I meant when I said I could predict the response. You always say the same thing when it comes to club information. It's the ultimate fallback argument when presented with some information that doesn't fit with your argument. Nothing is impossible is what it boils down to. We don't know the whole story etc etc. "Almost certainly...." doesn't stack up to clear cut statements. There is absolutely no reason to believe they were not entirely honest and straightforward when they made that statement. You may as well say Madge was really appointed on a month by month basis if you are not prepared to believe the what the club said.

The sporting life report says "(Madge) initially joined the Warriors on a two-year contract with an option for a third season."

The BBC says:

"However BBC Radio Manchester understands there may be a get-out clause in Maguire's three-year contract at the DW Stadium."

(which is different of course).

While the club said when he joined:

"Wigan Warriors are delighted to announce the appointment of Michael Maguire as their new Head Coach. Michael has signed a three-year Contract with the Club for Seasons 2010, 2011 and 2012. "

Now given the press are often accused of getting stories off forums and treated largely with disdain and we normally defer to the club and what it says I can not fathom why you will not accept the club statement at face value. Until this rumour blew up no one anywhere had mentioned two year deals or get out clauses because when Madge joined it was reported in the very same places he was on a three year deal.



That is utter rubbish. The day I start malicious rumours you can have a pop if you want but in the meantime I am entitled to my opinion on this issue so there is no need to go around saying people look like prats.

Like it or not, the full details of people's contracts - opt-out clauses, options for additional years, compensations arrangements in the event of early exit and so on - do not make it into press releases.

A three-year deal with an option for Maguire to leave after two is still a three-year deal, and there's no reason why it can't be announced as such. That's all there is to say on the matter.

As to whether or not you're behaving like a prat, I suppose that depends on what folk think about a Wigan fan calling for the first coach to win us a title in a decade to be pilloried and calling him a dishonourable swine.

Where the hell has this opt out clause come from, i swear there was no mention of this untill yesterday

Good post



I cant really understand the criticism if he has a get out clause. If that was the only way we could attract Maguire then so be it, you cant always attract the best on your own terms. In his time so far he has transformed the club and left us in a much stronger position than before. He may not have even come without such a clause and we may have been left with Noble or another inferior coach and in much the same position as before. As it is we are a club transformed and coaches like Wane, as well as the players, have learned a great deal under Maguire to take us forward futher.

I think we should just shut up and wait because nothing official has been released which means nothing official has happened. Lets wait until we hear something official first because rumours will destroy the team.

It's obvious he will leave to NRL some time but we will just have to wait and see.

And I've seen on facebook people pointing out that he didn't turn up for training today - no he didn't but nobody did as there was no training today. I walked past Edge Hall a couple of times personally and their were no cars on the car park.

Wednesday is a day off for the first team however the players can select to do some optional fitness training at Robin Park with Mark Bitcon

As a Bulls fan i agree with all of the above as we went through the same thing with Orford last year. All these aussies my be good players/coaches put the ESL in there opinion will never meet the standard of the NRL,so will only ever be a way for most past it aussie players to topup the pension pots or young coaches to show there good enough to coach down there. This is what annoys me most about our game.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ydney.html Matty Elliot, Jason Taylor, Steve Faulkes, Shaun Edwards and Shaun Wane are names knocked about, though it is the scum newspaper so none of them will probably get it

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ydney.html Matty Elliot, Jason Taylor, Steve Faulkes, Shaun Edwards and Shaun Wane are names knocked about, though it is the scum newspaper so none of them will probably get it

Can't see this being an issue. It is Wigan RLFC its not like players are going to say "who are they", unless you try to sign the Pope. When Bradford promoted Brian Noble from the backroom staff, nobody would have known who he was on the other side of the globe but he was able to sign guys like Jo Vagana, Vainikolo, Gartner, and actually Ian Millward was just an unknown from Leigh when he took over Saints and he was able to sign Fairleigh, Albert and Britt early on in his time there. Warrington managed to get Andrew Johns to come over....I wonder if it was the pull of Paul Cullen that clinched the deal...

They did train on Wednesday mate it was at Wigan rugby union as I live opposite it and saw the players leaving at 3pm

This is interesting, linking us with Tim Sheens... www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl- ... 6018492281 Seems a lot of names are popping for the job next year, but I'd love to see how Wane got on first.

This is interesting, linking us with Tim Sheens... www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl- ... 6018492281 Seems a lot of names are popping for the job next year, but I'd love to see how Wane got on first.

Names like Elliot & Taylor worry me, we either need to give Wane ago and bring in an assistant for him, or go for another stand out Aussie candiate (Madge 2). It's vital IL gets this right, but he generally seems to be quite good at these decisions.

IMO Wane getting the job would be a very positive move for British rugby league development, assuming you guys are positve he could do a job.