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right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.
firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.
secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.
Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.
I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.
I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.
end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.
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Perhaps Wane did underestimate Widnes. But far worse in my eye's were the team blowing an 18 point lead and only playing for 20 minutes of the match. The fact that we didn't maintain that intensity irks me more than anything. We've yet to play for the full eighty yet this season, and yesterday was the worst example of that yet.
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| Quote ="Das Tard"right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.
firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.
secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.
Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.
I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.
I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.
end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.'"
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| Quote ="Das Tard"right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.
firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.
secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.
Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.
I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.
I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.
end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.'"
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and there was me looking back at the half-cocked team that went to Newport three years ago getting shouted at for being a bit concerned....
anyway, (1) Wane underestimated/disrespected Widnes who were always going to go for the biggest scalp they could get. (2) The squad wasn't up to it. (3) where was the defense FFS! It's not all Wane's fault that they put 37 past us. (4) the place for trying out newbies is in the reserves or the friendlies BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS ! ("There were a few debuts because I needed to know about these players." WTF?!).
It's only 6 games in, & there's no need to panic, but if we don't put a telephone number past London next week, a little more than knee-jerk "Wane out" nonsense needs to be considered and someone should have a talking to.
Let's just hope everyone learns from this & it doesn't happen again.
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As any young player a young coach will make mistakes and it's how he comes back from a bad one yesterday that will show Wanes true ability. I'm sure he knows he's made a mistake even though he won't publically admit it and now his job is to make sure he doesn't repeat it.
I still think the early signs are that he's doing a cracking job. With a first choice side we've played some very good and structured attacking rugby whilst defending strongly when it's been needed. He's got more out of a couple of new signings then people thought possible and he's pushed the games of guys like Goulding and McIlorum on a level or 2. He's also blooded a couple of youngsters in the right way and coped well with some injury problems.
Learn the lessons and move on.
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Wane sounds out of his depth in this interview, saying he's not sure whether he'll play the 5 players left out
get a grip Wane and admit you messed up big time!'"
Interesting to hear. I must say the team should have won yesterday after being 36 - 18 up. The problem of not playing for the full eighty reared it's head once again yesterday.  |
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Interesting to hear. I must say the team should have won yesterday after being 36 - 18 up. The problem of not playing for the full eighty reared it's head once again yesterday.
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What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715
He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance.
What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday. |
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What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715
He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance.
What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday. | |
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He's a Hapless Buffoon - Simple!!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. '"
No its not. He had absolutely no need to put so many young players in the side at once. The idea he had to do this to see how they would go is ridiculous.
Quote I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance.
What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday.'"
The fact we let slip an 18 point lead had far more to do with the fact most of the on-field leaders were sat in the stand than anything else.
You simply can not take the leading players out and expect it to have no detrimental effect. The fact on paper Wane may have thought that team was capable of winning was very naive and not something I'd expect of a 1st grade coach. You don't just fling a team together like that and have it click and play as a team. People seem surprised we let an 18 point lead slip. Well I would be as well if it was the first team playing but given the side that was out there I don't understand why people are surprised it could not keep its composure.
It is just not on for the senior players who were out there such as Hock and Finch to be expected to carry that many inexperienced players for 80 minutes. No wonder Finch stormed off at the end. He was probably as disgusted with Wane's selection as most of the fans.
As to injuries Wane has said we had a couple but that he also wanted to play the young players which is what he did. He will hopefully have learned that all he should have done is replace the couple of injured players, not rip the backbone out of the side. |
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| Quote ="DaveO" No wonder Finch stormed off at the end. He was probably as disgusted with Wane's selection as most of the fans.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715
He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance.
What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday.'"
Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job. |
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"What Wanes saying in that interview is exactly what I was alluding to on the short sighted thread. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=521715
He needs to know if some of these young players are up to it, and the only way to do it is to give them their chance in games like yesterday. I still think that but for the injuries to Mossop and Goulding (leaving us only two subs) the game would probably have been won, but that in many ways is taking away from a gutsy Widnes performance.
What we don't know is what the injury situation actually was going into yesterdays game. Tommy has definitely carrying a knock for about two weeks and I think Lockers also has. He played for almost half of last season carrying an injury. They were the two players we missed most yesterday.'"
Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job. | |
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| Quote ="cadoo"Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job.'"
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| Quote ="cadoo"Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job.'"
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| Quote ="cadoo"Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job.'"
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| Quote ="cadoo"Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job.'"
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| Quote ="cadoo"Fans are all for playing the youngsters. Supporters get very enthusiastic when they see a player come through our own systems and make it to first grade Super League. And certainly for this game against Widnes supporters were all for playing one or two untried youngsters all for the reasons you mentioned to see how they cope, to see where we are for the future etc. I'm sure practically every supporter on this board would be in agreement with that, in fact, I think on the '19 man squad thread' supporters were advocating doing just that. The consensus being to play Joe Mellor and Anthony Gelling with Hughes keeping his spot in the back row.
However what supporters have a problem with (and I completely agree) is playing too many young lads at the same time against Super League opposition. Logan Tomkins, Joe Mellor, Anthony Gelling and Matty Russell are complete rookies with Tom Spencer also in there and Jack Hughes covering for George Carmont in an unfamiliar position too - you're just compounding the pressure on the side. Resting key players - Pat Richards, Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai and Sean O'loughlin is too much. That's your best player, your main goal kicker, your halfback and your captain - your most influential player - all rested for one match with no less than SIX complete rookies in the side. It's not the way to bring through these undeniably talented lads in a professional environment.
I can't comprehend why Shaun Wane did what he did. His methods so far of drip feeding some youngsters into the side was working perfectly. Jack Hughes coming in for George Carmont with Pat Richards outside him and Tom Spencer getting some game time off the bench in short spells. Magnificent. Perfect. Exactly the way to bring the young lads in, maintain results and build up their confidence, allowing them time to settle to the pace of Super League. Throwing six young lads in one match, dropping four of your best and more importantly most experienced players is suicide - as we found out.
So fans have every right to be annoyed. That was embarrassing. Last year only a point separated the top two teams - we just blew a chance to go top and for Wire to have to chase us early on in the season. That was a historic win for Widnes and one we wont be able to live down anytime soon. Celtic Crusaders was one of the most embarrassing defeats I've had to endure as a Wigan fan. Losing to a side with a 100% loss record, rookie halfbacks, two imports rushed in, quickly put together squad, low on confidence Widnes team is something else.
Shaun Wane needs to lose the ego and stop trying to make a point about Madge's tenure at the club. He got it wrong this week - big time. Continue to drip feed the young lads like he has been doing around our experienced players and we'll see these lads develop like we've seen with Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, Tuson etc develop. Continue to let his ego rule his head will see him lose his job.'"
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Some good posts on here pointing out the flaws in SW's approach, particularly Cadoo's.
However BK is correct when he points out that it doesn't matter a great deal that we've lost an early season game (unless you think being minor premiers/winning the hubcap is important). Leeds showed that last season.
What does matter is that SW learns from his mistakes and doesn't do things like this at the business end of the season - we need a settled side in the run up to the play-offs.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Some good posts on here pointing out the flaws in SW's approach, particularly Cadoo's.
However BK is correct when he points out that it doesn't matter a great deal that we've lost an early season game (unless you think being minor premiers/winning the hubcap is important). Leeds showed that last season.
What does matter is that SW learns from his mistakes and doesn't do things like this at the business end of the season - we need a settled side in the run up to the play-offs.'"
No one is arguing against rotating players and resting them. He could have spread it over Widnes and Broncos and got 4 points whilst still resting players. Problem is he rested so many in one game it cost us the game and 2 points. Even Easter Monday we have Wakey home a great chance to rest 1 or 2 and give 2 young players a run out. Throwing 2 points away is just daft.
Leeds did not actively rotate players all season that's a point some do not real grasp. They were out with serious injuries They all came back fit by mid July. Something Bradford did a few years ago as well. |
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I agree fully about Wane seeming to focus too much on Maguires reign and he seems to want to make a firm point about doing things differently. He has obviously kept a lot of the same structures in place and in attack I think he's improved us but he should just let the results do the talking.
Talk like " Michael did a great job but I think we can do better" is all well and good but you are setting yourself up for a fall when you make mistakes like yesterday. The good thing for Wane though is minus his brain fart things have looked pretty rosy and we look well capable of challenging for all trophies again. We infact look a lot more capable then I thought we would.
Just please no more meltdowns of yesterday's proportions!
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| Quote ="gray"The gamble to rest so many players has backfired big time. Letting Stefan Marsh play and score against us was rubbing salt into the wound. It was the proverbial "bannana skin".
If we were playing Wire or Saints would we have done the same, would we hell. Why did they need resting anyway, only 5 games into the season.
Yes, the young lads do need blooding into the first team but one or two at a time, not four debutants all at once and in key positions. Compared to Widnes we do have a big squad but we already had three senior players out in Carmont, Fielden and Prescott. Resting another five seriously weakened the squad.
It smacks of arrogance, shows a lack of respect to the opposition and was tactically naive.
Instead of being top we are now 3rd and if Leeds and Cats win their games in hand[size=200 we are potentially 5th[/size.
Nil out of ten for decision making I'm afraid Shaun.'"
That bit .
5th is acceptable  but I'd prefer 1st .
Well done to your young lads by the way. By most accounts they put in a good effort against a team of far more experienced players . Losing a game to the new boys ain't the end of the world , but I am thankful that is was you and not us that were the first victims . |
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Wane's a new coach. He probably went a bit too far with the kids. But not much - you lost by 1 point and should have won anyway. He knows as well as anyone that having just one of the rested players on the bench would have made a difference if needed.
I don't expect a coach to necessarily come out and say "I was wrong" either - you might want them to think it to themselves, but around the players I'm not sure its a good idea.
I'd also add that I think a few clubs are looking more seriously at rotation this year - probably as a direct result of Leeds peaking at the end of the season and the fact that Wigan seemed to run out of steam a bit. Wane overdid it, and a loss is always a loss, but hopefully he'll learn from it.
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| Quote ="fleabag"Why did Finch storm off, anyone know ? I have also read on another thread that Finch has decided to go back 'downunder'.'"
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but I'd prefer 1st .
