i can totally agree with some of that

i dont its gaz ellis by a mile

yeah!! tim smith has got better and burrow has gone backwards(not through lack of effort mind)

you have some serious anti saint issues going on that cloud your ability to discuss wilkin in a true light. and your so wrong about bird been a 6 its unreal, he looks 2 stone over weight because he's a forward. or maybe too many business class dinners

I mean in terms of they're actual game skills and not how good they are.

Smith is an organiser- Burrow is a runner

Hock is an offloading runner- Wilkin is a playmaking grafter

People opinions on who's better will differ but alot depends on what you side needs at that time.

We have O'Loughlin to play the Wilkin role, Bailey to play the Gaz Ellis role which makes Hock just perfect for us.

i can see what your saying. i know it wasnt you mate but it wasnt me either who said hock was the best bristish backrower and the best attacking back rower in the comp. as you have pointed out their is more than one way to skin a cat in our game.

all that bread and water he has comming up will soon sort that out.

and yes i do have some anti saints issues. i hate the bloody lot of you, especialy the ones who feel the need to come on here to offer their "points of view". i am a wigan fan it goes with the terittory



but at the same time i recognise a class act when i see one (see my comment about Pauletua above) but wilkin!!! people only like him because of his articulate (ie. ghost written) blog on the BBC website and because eddie and ray french rave on about him all the time.

what would i care im a leeds fan

no you never its true, it was me.

you did however disagree with my point and then LIST a few of you own which means that you agreed there was such a thing as the "best". that continued until Nicky kiss came up with the reasons you could not have a definative "best" 2nd rower in the game that you changed your tune and started to use somone elses argument in response to mine!!!

have courage in your own convictions !!!!!

Wilkin seems a bit like a cherry on top, he's alright when the team plays well, but he's useless when needed to dig in and fight to win a game. Like how in the grand finals and his test appearances he has been invisible but is good in the challenge cup against weak opposition when saints are already clearly on top.

then what the heck are you doing on here?

Perfect assessment, the same goes for Pryce and Martyn was the same.

read my posts i did!! i clearly said the best british backrower in the game is gas ellis.

so i was as clear as day about my convictions. as for the others i just pointed out a handful of players who imo are just as dangerous if not more so when attacking the oposition line than hock

poor attemp at a blow out! read the thread before you jump the gun

damn right!! hide and seek champ 07,08!!