Oh dear where do I start Jonh?

You laud picking me up on a spelling mistake ?? (what?) then make a post full of them.
You then seemingly claim to know about my biological response to the afformentioned incident.

You then make some ludicrous claim about the subjective justification of personal abuse.

Honestly, you REALLY need to read the AUP. Personally I would rather you didn't get banned as you provide me with endless amusement.

The fact I made spelling mistakes and you constantly picked up on them and abused me for it, then I picked you up on one and you went off the scale proves you are a hypocrite.

Last years Grand Final winning coach does not know who to win the comp. Genius.

The club IFL and Madge have indicated on several occasions Wembley was the major goal this year.

We have played with our senior props injured for most of the year.

You try to justify Leeds success this year as a defence of Noble prior to Madge.

You were wrong deal with it.

Claim to be the victim. Fair play. Personally I think a man with credibility does not claim to be the victim and hide behind the rules that they have regularly flaunted in the past when they have posted, when we were losing, prior to the arrival of Madge.

Our bitches have won the Grand Final, played them 3, 2 wins 1 draw. Nothing to suggest that nonwithstanding Wembley we wouldn't have bettered them again.

Shush jonh. You are both boring me and ignoring the request to stop personal abuse.

I would shut up now if I were you.

Stop hiding.

How can you claim a man that has won the trophy does not know how to win it.

Do you think our lack of fit front line Props had any influence?

Would you like the Leeds coaching staff at Wigan for the last 2 years over our own?

Would you like Brian the guru Noble back at Wigan? A man who cannot get a job in the game?

Stop running and answer the questions.

you'd be amazed at how many of them think that leeds have our number!

Awww diddums. Do you really not see? Can you really not read between the lines?

Normally I would spurn people like you, who would rather insult than grasp facts, however, on this occasion I will respond. Call it my good deed for the year if you like.

Last year Madge brought with him an attitude to fitness, team building and "exploitation" (and I appluad him for this) of the rules that meant that Wigan were head and shoulders above any other team in the competition.

This year, teams were aware of this and were up to it.

The thing he didn't do was realise that the SL competition is not about the regular rounds, but all about the playoffs.

In year 1, he nearly failed. Wigan lost to Leeds. However, such was the impact of the points I mentioned above, Wigan progressed to win the GF.

In year 2 he did fail.

Not sure which bit's of that you don't understand, or how clearer I can be.

Now kindly grow up. No-one is "running away". No-one is "hiding".

We are having a debate on a forum.

If you cannnot handle that without insults, kindly go elsewhere.

Am I correct in thinking Leeds have never beaten us in a final?

He nearly failed? So he won, yes? Beating a coach of Leeds who had won it 3 times in a row under the same system.

Do you think our lack of Props had any influence on our season?

Do you think the Gleeson situation had any affect on our situation.

Do you think playing in every game and having all those injuries had any affect on our ability to peak?

Would you prefer the leeds coaching team over ours for the last few years?

would you like the guru Noble back at the club? ( a man who cannot get a job in the game)

I thought tonights final showed everything thats great, AND terribly flawed with the play-off idea.
Was a great game, played under no pressure, by 2 teams that performed excellently once the season reached its knockout phase.
Both deserved to be there, and Leeds certainly deserved to win.
Under the current rules that makes them SL Champs 2011.
Good for them. Well done (seriously).

BUT its that last bit i struggle with.
Despite Eddie almost losing his wig trying to justify how the play-off system makes RL such a great game....Can anyone, really, seriously say that Leeds have been anywhere near the best team in the comp this year?
No way. Looking at the season as a whole, that honour falls to Wire (much as it hurts) - With us also losing less games than anyone else.
As posted earlier, Sky have brainwashed us into believing that the season is almost a mere 'prelim' to the play-off's.
Not to mention how they have buried the Challenge Cup into almost total meaningless oblivion.

Some people will say its just bitterness, cos we werent there.
And for sure, i'd be delighted if Wigan took the crown from 5th.
But would i think of us as true champions? I'm not sure about that one.
My view (for 10yrs on here), is that the Play-off's are nothing more than a glorified Premiership series.
Exciting for sure, and fantastic when you win at O/T.
But in my humble opinion, Warrington are the uncrowned SL champs this year. There is just no comparison to a Rhino's team that have stuttered and stumbled their way through most the 2011 season.

And now i need to lie down....

I agree with 90% of your post.

The bit I disagree with is that Wire are the uncrowned SL champs.

You see at the start of the year EVERYONE knows the rules. The rules state that whoever wins the GF will be champions.

Therefore, it is vital that every coach prepares their team to achieve that goal. If they believe that coming 1st is the way to do it, then they should go for this. If they believe that coming 8th is the best way for their team to do this, then this should be their goal.

Given the rules you cannot simply say that Wire are in any way SL champs (just as you could not say that about Wigan at that stage in 2010)

Any response to the questions and points I raise?

CC winners 2011. I LOVE FAILING.

FAILING IS MY FAVOURITE.


FIOS

Your new name has just lost all effect! Respect to you for braking up the insults! Nobody likes to see that.

Would we see this if wigan had won in 07/08 when you were 1 game from the GF?

live by the sword die by the sword.

Oh dear.

Just as I don't carry out conversation with people from mental homes, I feel no need to engage in discussion with you.

Maybe in time, if you grow up, lose the personal insults and show yourself to be mature enough, I will.

Until then I will leave you to your deluded reality.

Until then, you stick to pig farming and I will stick to my career.

So no, you have no response. Just as I expected. Run and hide all you want.

Pity you were not so humble 2 years ago when you regularly posted and threw about the insults.

All i can say to this entire thread is that it is clearly some form of random clutch at straws to justify a stance held and proven wrong 2 years ago, and as such I

for you.

Awww diddums. Does baby want his nappy changing?

C'mon guys!! We're better than this!

Personal insults? Do you know the meaning of the word hypocrite?

Stop running stop hiding......and now reverting to type.

You have a great opportunity to get some credibility here.

I ask again.

Does the fact that Madge won the title over a coach who had won it 3 years in a row so obviously knew how to win it mean anything?

Did Madge "nearly fail" in 2010? If so how?

Did the Gleeson situation have any influence on our season?

Did our lack of senior Props throughout the year influence our ability to peak?

Would you prefer the Leeds coaches over Madge and his team in the last 2 years?

Does madge understand how to win the comp? Beating a coach who had won it 3 years on the bounce?

Would you like Noble back at the club? (a coach who cannot get a job)

Stop with the personal insults and lets discuss this on a forum. Man up time.

Lenegan OUT


FIOS

Seeing it was the result between our sides the last time we met, I'd say it was pretty apt still.



Well done to your team tonight.

Obviously some are not.