Wire do seem to take alot of our youngsters.

Has it worked out for them there or are they all ending out like Scott Leatherbarrow back at Wigan with their tails between their legs, playing for the under 20s while people who stayed when he was here (sam) run the show in SL

Guess it depends on how many 30+ year old Aussies they decide to add to their collection

And here's me thinking that once you acknowledged that once a player has been paid-up he is removed from the salary cap calculation and therefore does not count on the salary cap, are you now saying again that termination payments count on the salary cap?

Where did I say anything different? Not been reading properly again I see.

Here.

and here

and here.

haha... apart from there then.

and again.

thats only 4 times paul.... cut the guy some slack.

Exactly, I haven't said anything different for you to then say



I've been saying it all along. Jebus.

But they don't. The cap is calculated based upon the first tier players "at that time" hence why it is referred to as a "live cap".

When a player is removed from either the club's first or second tier any payments made to them, either as previously paid salary or as a termination payment, does not therefore count on the cap.

Humour me by listing them all out.

As I pointed out on page 8 their "original" salary cap value falls off, and there is also mention of making sure payments do not take a club over their cap limit.

If this didn't happen there is the possibility of clubs spending considerably more than the cap on players over the course of a season if they decided to get rid of some and replace them, which will all know would be against the "spirit" of the cap.

Jack reed to sign a 3 year deal with wigan worth 500k - watch this space

Off the top of my head in recent times; Scott Leatherbarrow, Danny Bridge, Ben Currie and now rumoured to be Connor Farrell, I dont watch/have the time to have an interest in the under 20s and their league so these are just the only ones I've read about on here, there could be more, I dont know.

We wish.

The salary cap is calculated live at any one time. A club is in breach of the salary cap if its Aggregate First Tier Liability "at any time" exceeds £1,650,000 (para 3.1.1).

"The Aggregate First Tier Liability is calculated by adding together the respective Salary Cap Values of the club's First Tier Players [uat any given time[/u" (emphasis added).

First Tier Players are the 25 highest Salary Cap Value players "at the time in question".

If a player is not part of the club's First (or second) Tier Players then any payment made to them has no effect on the club's salary cap.

The reference to making sure payments do not take them over the cap limit is a seperate paragraph to the sub-paragraph relating to termination payments and relates to transactions generally including teh signatures of new players who would become First Tier Players.

You will see that paragraph 6.1 refers the reader to Appendix 2 as examples of how a transaction affects a club's salary cap. At A4 of that Appendix it clarifies that following a termination payment:

"If the departing Player was a First Tier Player, then the Player with the next highest Salary Cap Value outside of the Club’s First Tier Players will automatically become a First Tier Player for the purposes of the Regulations"

As stated above the clubs Salary Cap expenditure is measured against the twenty five First Tier Player at any given time of which the terminated player has been replaced and hence any payments made to him, including termination payments, will not be calculated as part of a club's expenditure against the salary cap.

The key is who are a club's First Tier Players (ignoring second tier players for teh prupose of this debate). Once a player is not part of that Tier, and Annex 2 A4 explains that they are replaced by next highest paid player, then they do not count on the cap.

Not the best or easiest document to follow but I guess that is why Wigan were able to employ expensive lawyers to argue their case about which penalty should have applied to them and thus avoid the potential 12 point deduction that would have seen them relegated. You would have hoped that the RFL would have learnt their lesson then but it appears not.

If you do not agree with any of the above please point out my errors.

Does anyone other than Paul Youane and Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy read their posts on here? We want rumours guys not boring salary cap tosh, start your own thread if needs be, or meet up and discuss it over a romantic dinner

You really could have saved yourself a lot of time and effort if you'd actually bothered to read para 6 properly, especially this bit:



I've emphasised the bit you need to get your head round, i.e. it's only the "original Salary Cap Value" that is disregarded, not the termination payment.

He's really not my type.

Pick Paul up on your way out, there's a good lad.

I tell you what. You are boring the life out of me.

Meh! Give me Gareth Thomas over him anyday.