What he said shooter mcgavin!

Goulding would be a good signing for Cas imo. He was good last season when he was a regular starter.

Alright but clark thompson hasn't played first team yet, would have thought you would have been more interested in clarkE to be honest.

Despite the length of time he's been here, I dont think he has been given the opportunity to prove himself, last year he had a decent run and was rewarded with national recognition. Only the emergence of Charnley has forced him out of the team. A good addition to any team, glad its part of the agreement with Roberts included to bring Chase to Wiganicon_smile.gif

Is that before or after he's played through his two year extension at Cas? Regardless, don't think he's a player Wigan would have tried to sign.

I would lile us to at least keep him for next year and try him back at centre.

Would like to keep him in squad but if IL has a good few signings to come in then he might have to go to make room

Quote ="pyeman"Alright but clark thompson hasn't played first team yet, would have thought you would have been more interested in clarkE to be honest. '" If I have spelt it wrong (which I'm not so sure I have). So has your own official site. www.castigers.com/player/363

Quote ="pyeman"Alright but clark thompson hasn't played first team yet, would have thought you would have been more interested in clarkE to be honest. '" If I have spelt it wrong (which I'm not so sure I have). So has your own official site. www.castigers.com/player/363

Quote ="LovesToSpooge"If I have spelt it wrong. So has your own official site. www.castigers.com/player/363'" Thats obviously a more likely explanation than me getting it wrong You still cant have him though.

Quote ="LovesToSpooge"If I have spelt it wrong. So has your own official site. www.castigers.com/player/363'" Thats obviously a more likely explanation than me getting it wrong You still cant have him though.

You don't deserve to have the lad playing for you if you can't spell his name correctly.



On a side not I was always led to believe that Milner was the better hooker, but Clark looks to be the better of the two from what I've seen.

Obviously you get to seem them most weeks I presume. How does Milner rate against Clark?

I rate clark (got it right this time!) more but they are differant styles of hooker milner is a much better starter and his defence and organisation are better, clark does well of the bench as he has a fantastic scoot and is a great support player. its like the cunningham and roby combination really, i'm very glad these two are signed up for the next few years as we can build the team round them and chase. talking to one of his relatives clark says he wants to do a few more years at cas then move to the nrl, as clubs down there are already sniffing round.

I rate clark (got it right this time!) more but they are differant styles of hooker milner is a much better starter and his defence and organisation are better, clark does well of the bench as he has a fantastic scoot and is a great support player. its like the cunningham and roby combination really, i'm very glad these two are signed up for the next few years as we can build the team round them and chase. talking to one of his relatives clark says he wants to do a few more years at cas then move to the nrl, as clubs down there are already sniffing round.

Dont let the facts get in the way of the usual people slagging off Goulding. I have seen the same 4 or 5 posters slag him off on a regular basis on these boards, no matter what he does or how he plays and even when he has been obviously injured they have still had a go. They never give him credit though and strangely are always silent though when he plays well.

I would say that over 90% of Charnley's tries have been carbon copies of those scored by Goulding last year but when Goulding scores, according to some it is down to just about anyone but him, but when it is Charnley the same reasoning isnt used by them and Charnley should be MOM. Charnley has come in and done well and deserved to hold down his place, in much the same way as Goulding did last year. Goulding has been very unlucky with injuries this season and has missed quite a few games as a result but has still done well in the odd games that he has played, particularly at his natural position of centre and I am sure that next year he will get more of a chance in this position.

90% of Charnleys tries? Not that much.

When you think Charnley has scored a similar amount of tries without a natural centre inside of him, regardless of the fact that I've seen countless tries from Charnley that Goulding could only dream off.

Goulding is a steady player, nothing more, nothing less. Liam Colbon in a different form.

O'Loughlin was the man who had the biggest influence on Goulding's try scoring record. Gleeson was good, but the fact that O'Loughlin often attacked down the right flank is what created the tries. Since Deacon moved to right side halfback O'Loughlin has been spending more time in the centre of the field with Finch finishing moves down the left. Joel Tomkins also played a part when he was at second row as he often created plenty of space and attracted tacklers.
Gleeson certainly did not make 'nearly all his scores last season'.

A reason I called for Lockers back at 6 last week was so we could start seeing thrown them wingman finders again that he's not been able to do very often this year.

I feel a lot more comfortable with the side set up at the minute. Micky Mac rattles cages for 30 mins, Tommy helps finch set the tone and Lockers can work on lazy cover defences when he goes in at 6 by testing their edges with those passes.

Can't see any Wigan players wanting to join Mildred TBH. He destroyed a lot of player's confidence and almost relegated us 5 years ago, so it would be a massive gamble to think Cas will get top 8 next year. Matterson polished the turd that is Cas, Mildred will flush it away.

Countless tries? You can count on one hand the amount of exceptional tries that Charnley has scored, never mind considering Goulding would have scored some tries that Charnley wouldnt and that he himself scored some cracking tries last season. Dont get me wrong Charnley is a good player and is a true out and out winger, which Goulding isnt, and I have no doubt that he will be one of the first choice wingers for many years to come. However it is quite laughable the exageration by some as to what he does and what he has done this season in contrast to their willingness to knock Goulding at every opportunity and belittle what he achieved last year.

As to your arguments about a natural centre. Gleeson had only 4 try assists last year so having a natural centre inside Goulding wasnt much use to him. In contrast Joel Tomkins has had 11 try assists so far this year so going by the logic of some on here Charnley is only effective when a centre sets up tries on a plate for him, after all his centre has set up far more. Also people tend to forget that Gouldings natural position is centre and he was playing out of position on the wing last year, in contrast to Charnley playing in his natural position of wing. Richards also only scored a couple more than Goulding last year despite having a much better wingers centre and despite us attacking far more right to left. When you consider all this it is amazing that Goulding scored so many tries that were somehow laid on a plate for him, by a centre with only 4 try assists, and which anyone could have scored. I just find it bizare that some seriously think this happened and that the bulk of Charnleys and Richards tries have somehow been different.

Have a word with yourself....Charnley has only played a year yet I can think of probably at least a dozen exceptional tries or breaks leading to tries he has put away this season many of which Goulding wouldn't have been able to- Now I think Goulding is a decent squad player but realistically could he have scored the tries Charnley scored in the Challenge Cup to get us to Wembley?. After Sam and Pat he is probably our most exciting player and will provide many memorable moments in the future.

I just hope he isnt rushed into an England position which he could be at the end of the year....his defence isnt up to it at the moment, but providing he can continue to develop he will be a future england winger IMO. That was what did for Goulding IMO, he was shown up on the international stage in last years 4 nations and in the WCC, and lost alot of confidence in these games which lost him his place.

I would still keep Goulding however as in a salary cap sport you need hardworking players like him around to rotate around your team, but if we want to be a team playing at the very top, he is quite simply not good enough to be a starting player at wigan and a way behind Charnley. They both have defensive failings but Charnley has attacking prowess that goulding simply doesnt and which is why he is rightfully behind charnley.

First of all, As said. There is no way Rangi Chase is leaving, he himself has requested there is no get out clause in his current contract, And it would cost nearing the £1 Million mark to get him now. He has no ambition to leave, But no, you werent one of the clubs in to sign him

Warrington were, Making a sizeable offer, Widnes made a huge offer, But that was laughed away

As for Goulding, He would for me be a solid signing, British, Young enough, And as many have said. Impressed last year for you guys


As for Daz Clark, You have no chance, Yet. He has just turned down a 4 year extension (Already has 2 years remaining). And thats so he can demand a fair wage next season, When he has another full year under his belt. He will be England's 2nd choice hooker in 3 years. If not before.

Just because Gleeson only got 4 try assists last season doesnt mean having a natural centre inside Goulding didnt help. Gleeson may of helped create space for the cutout pass etc and Gleeson may have set Goulding up but then he fluffed it? Therefore them stats are flawed.

Goulding couldnt score a try out of nothing from deep and was unlikely to turn a game on its head, Charnley on the other hand is dangerous from anywhere on the pitch with ball in hand. Goulding did well last season but he is not in the same class as Charnley imo.

If the argument is that Goulding scored so many tries and Gleeson only got 4 assists, how is Goulding fluffing an opportunity an argument in Gleeson's favour when a fluffed opportunity wouldn't have resulted in a try.

Gleeson was pretty good for Wigan, but he wasn't the sole reason Goulding scored so many tries. The centre generally isn't the one responsible for creating space for a cut-out pass. The space gets created further in field making sure that the opposing winger ends up with a centre as his man and then all that's left to do is for the player to miss out the centre and put the winger clear.

For example Gleeson may of passed to Goulding 20 times in a favourable position but Goulding only scored 4 hence why Gleeson only got 4 try assists. Them stats only tell us how many times Gleeson set somebody up and they scored, he could of set somebody up many more times but they fluffed it. You cant use the assist stats of a centre in this comparison because the winger may of been a reason why the centres assists count was so low.

I never said that Gleeson was the sole reason for Gouldings tries I was just trying to say them stats are flawed, which they are.

But watching the games we know that isn't the case, Goulding was nothing if not consistent - he finished everything and everything that he was offered. However, he is not as exciting and dynamic as Charnley, hence he is behind him in the pecking order.

I wish we had seen Goulding at centre more this year, I was excited about the prospect of Tomkins in his position, but Joel just doesn't seem as effective in the role he plays there - I was hoping to see his SR running game as the main strike just further out, instead it seems like he tries too hard to be a centre which he is not. Additionally Joel doesn't seem suited to aspects we use him for now such as scooting that Goulding is technically our best at imo.

In all, I wouldn't blame Goulding for looking for first team action elsewhere, which he could easily get, but I would be more bothered than a lot on here to see him go. He isn't the best physically, but technically he's going to get better and better at Wigan - not so sure elsewhere, Gleeson wasn't physically great for a centre either but had the skills once he'd matured a bit. A shame.

We've given Daz many opportunities at centre and on the wing, sometimes a player is just not good enough for the standards you want to set within your club.

I don't even agree with the 'he's a good squad player though theory' either. He's standing in the way of strong up and coming talent who are ready to step up and be given the chance Daz has already had. King and Russell spring to mind.