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| Quote ="AJC"Maybe just dedicate 'Abide with Me' to Terry, everyone can sing their hearts out. A minutes applause is just not appropriate IMO'"
Good idea, a short clip then the above in honour. Judging by pics posted in the TN facebook tribute Saints fans can't be trusted.
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i might get ripped for this..................but i think we should do neither
read this............... www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/8 ... t-him.html
then draw your own conclusions why he took the option he did , and the timing.
ive drawn my conclusions (which i wont post, but feel free to pm me)
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i might get ripped for this..................but i think we should do neither
read this............... www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/8 ... t-him.html
then draw your own conclusions why he took the option he did , and the timing.
ive drawn my conclusions (which i wont post, but feel free to pm me)
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| Quote ="AJC"Maybe just dedicate 'Abide with Me' to Terry, everyone can sing their hearts out. A minutes applause is just not appropriate IMO'"
thats more appropriate imo
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| Quote ="AJC" A minutes applause is just not appropriate IMO'"
Quite agree.
If we had a league match at the weekend a minutes silence would I am sure definitely be observed but at the GF? Asking for trouble and I think the minutes applause would not get any better a reaction.
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| Would think a minuits silence might be respected. We have to remember that he not only played for us but leeds Bradford and wakefield. large proportion of the crowd I would think would be supporters from teams he played for. As someone has already said THIS IS RUGBY LEAGUE and as followers we are very good at self policing a miniuts silence
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Quote ="wigan pie man"i might get ripped for this..................but i think we should do neither
read this...............www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/8 ... t-him.html
then draw your own conclusions why he took the option he did , and the timing.
ive drawn my conclusions (which i wont post, but feel free to pm me)'"
He made a dumb decision, no way should that tarnish his legacy. I don't think of HGH when I think of Terry Newton, I think of a fierce, talented Wigan hooker who would happily give his right leg for that grand final win.
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Quote ="wigan pie man"i might get ripped for this..................but i think we should do neither
read this...............www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/8 ... t-him.html
then draw your own conclusions why he took the option he did , and the timing.
ive drawn my conclusions (which i wont post, but feel free to pm me)'"
He made a dumb decision, no way should that tarnish his legacy. I don't think of HGH when I think of Terry Newton, I think of a fierce, talented Wigan hooker who would happily give his right leg for that grand final win.
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| I would be very surprised if Saints fans couldn't keep quiet for a minute's silence in the circumstances. You're bound to get the odd idiot (from St Helens, Wigan and amongst the neutrals) but I would expect a minute's silence to be well observed in the circumstances.
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| This whole sorry episode does raise a serious point about people who take drugs within our game. It is quite easy to castigate said player and think of them as nothing but cheats within the sport but as this tragedy has pointed out we are dealing with a human being.
Although I agree with the punishments that are imposed I would like to know if there are any rehabilitation procedures for players who are banned and whether we as a sport try to get to the bottom of why a player will take drugs and what methods are needed to help that player through his imposed ban.
A man may take drugs and get caught but when that man, severely depressed & away from the norm of his usual career takes his own life it put things into perspective. I hope more is done so to teach players against going down this route but more is done also to stop players possibly following a similar scenario if they are caught.
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| Quote ="Renegade"This whole sorry episode does raise a serious point about people who take drugs within our game. It is quite easy to castigate said player and think of them as nothing but cheats within the sport but as this tragedy has pointed out we are dealing with a human being.
Although I agree with the punishments that are imposed I would like to know if there are any rehabilitation procedures for players who are banned and whether we as a sport try to get to the bottom of why a player will take drugs and what methods are needed to help that player through his imposed ban.
A man may take drugs and get caught but when that man, severely depressed & away from the norm of his usual career takes his own life it put things into perspective. I hope more is done so to teach players against going down this route but more is done also to stop players possibly following a similar scenario if they are caught.'"
Well the players union would agree with you (and so do I) but I don't think you can assume being banned was the only thing that led to this tragic event.
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| We don't know exactly what happened and thus everything is conjecture, however this shows the human side to a tragic event. It is interesting to take the difference in the way that Gareth Hock has been treated and Terry. I know we are not meant to have any contact with Gareth but it loks like the club wrapped him in cotton wool while at the same time Wakefield just cancelled Terry's contract. It makes you wonder if all was done for Terry and if we as a club or the RFL comunity as a whole could or should have done any more
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| purely conjecture, but maybe Wakey would not have turned their back had Terry been in his mid 20's as Gaz H is?
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| [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/09/27/RUGBYL_Newton_Tributes.htmlMinutes Silence it is.[/url
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| I hope beyond hope that this is observed with complete respect.
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| Quote ="RICHARD5LEGEND"[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/09/27/RUGBYL_Newton_Tributes.htmlMinutes Silence it is.[/url'"
A brave move by the RFL. As a previous poster said at a normal league game I would have no doubts about it being perfectly observed, at the final unfortunatly I am not as sure.
I am sure the vast majority of us regardless of who we support will respect it, I just hope the idiots don't spoil it
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| Quote ="RICHARD5LEGEND"[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/09/27/RUGBYL_Newton_Tributes.htmlMinutes Silence it is.[/url'"
And let's all hope it's impeccably observed.
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| Quote ="RICHARD5LEGEND"[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/09/27/RUGBYL_Newton_Tributes.htmlMinutes Silence it is.[/url'"
Well if this is the case then fine.
I just hope that when people inevitably make some noise, that other idiots don't start booing and shouting at them. Shut up and ignore them. You only make it worse.
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| minute silence it is , every self respecting rugby league fan should abide by this, you should be able to hear a pin drop in that stadium
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| If it's a silence, I'll be silent. If it's applause, I'll applaud.
Sad waste of life. Bit surprised by some of the "ultimate professional" lines being trotted out though; I mean, really?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"He made a dumb decision, no way should that tarnish his legacy. I don't think of HGH when I think of Terry Newton, I think of a fierce, talented Wigan hooker who would happily give his right leg for that grand final win.'"
me neither mate..and the HGH never enteed my head until i read that link i copied from another poster.
he was a great wigan player who gave 100% every time he hit the field.........and thats the TN i remember.
oh.....and i met him a few times and he came over as a fun guy.
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| IMO this is the wrong decision and it is still not too late to turn it into a minute applause.
What has happened puts Rugby League (and sport in general) into perspective. However on a Rugby level he was detested by Saints fans and the reasons for this are well documented.
A minutes silence after some 'fans' will have been drinking for 5/6 hrs is asking for trouble and will taint RL's family image. Its a sorry state of affairs but its also reality.
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| Quote ="DaveO"Well the players union would agree with you (and so do I) but I don't think you can assume being banned was the only thing that led to this tragic event.
Dave'"
True, there do seem to be other mitigating circumstances. My only point is a player who openly admits to be depressed in the first place thus taking drugs should be looked after and rehabilitated to avoid a player spiralling further into depression due to other factors and taking their own life.
Of course it will not be a full proof system and some players might continue to do drugs and others may, god forbid, follow a similar route as Terry but hopefully more can and will be done to make sure nobody has to fall into a greater state of depression.
Quote ="SaintJames"IMO this is the wrong decision and it is still not too late to turn it into a minute applause.
What has happened puts Rugby League (and sport in general) into perspective. However on a Rugby level he was detested by Saints fans and the reasons for this are well documented.
A minutes silence after some 'fans' will have been drinking for 5/6 hrs is asking for trouble and will taint RL's family image. Its a sorry state of affairs but its also reality.'"
If this was a former St. Helens star with a disliked reputation in the Wigan borough who died in similar circumstances I would be silent even tanked up because I would never wish this on anyone.
If we have to pussyfoot around Neanderthals then there is no point doing anything. If a minutes silence can be observed impeccably by United and City I'm sure the same can between Wigan and Saints.
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| ITS OFFICAL THERE WILL BE A 1 MINS SILENCE AT GF
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| Quote ="Renegade"True, there do seem to be other mitigating circumstances. My only point is a player who openly admits to be depressed in the first place thus taking drugs should be looked after and rehabilitated to avoid a player spiralling further into depression due to other factors and taking their own life.
Of course it will not be a full proof system and some players might continue to do drugs and others may, god forbid, follow a similar route as Terry but hopefully more can and will be done to make sure nobody has to fall into a greater state of depression.
If this was a former St. Helens star with a disliked reputation in the Wigan borough who died in similar circumstances I would be silent even tanked up because I would never wish this on anyone.
If we have to pussyfoot around Neanderthals then there is no point doing anything. If a minutes silence can be observed impeccably by United and City I'm sure the same can between Wigan and Saints.'"
If you are talking in referance to the Munich 50 years game then that is different. That disaster had an impact on both clubs.
I am pretty sure some stupid fans will make some noise.
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| Quote ="Renegade"
If this was a former St. Helens star with a disliked reputation in the Wigan borough who died in similar circumstances I would be silent even tanked up because I would never wish this on anyone.
If we have to pussyfoot around Neanderthals then there is no point doing anything. If a minutes silence can be observed impeccably by United and City I'm sure the same can between Wigan and Saints.'"
And most decent fans will be silent. But finals always bring out the idiots from all clubs and it is the actions of those idiots that I worry about, the people who aren't necessarily as passionate about the game as most of us and who won't see past the "cheat" or "thug" labels rather than remembering the person.
Personally I have never understood why, irrespective of personal feelings towards the person, anyone would struggle to stand in silence for 60 seconds - its not a big ask and the vast majority of people will manage it on Saturday.
Hopefully peoples worries are wrong and there are no idiots try to ruin it.
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