Yeah, I rate both of those. How quick is worrincy though! The lads lightning for a forward!

As for menzies, hes got some fantastic skills, the flick back agianst the saints game springs to mind (never mind that he knocked on before it

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I know. I'm amazed that someone with Worrincy's physique can move that quick, and he always seems to find the perfect line to run. As for Menzies, his passing is world class.

He always seems to be stretching his back/hip, think it's a long term niggle, the type of thing that he'll play through but may well come back to haunt him later in his career.

Hope hes not playing on pain killer injections..all they do is cover the pain and you can make it alot worse

Agreed.

If only he would not keep throwing stupid off loads he would improve no end.

Vis-a-vis his protection of Tomkins, I like to see that. that half back should not be bullied-alla Alan Langer and Andrew Gee-a decent half back needs a forward to be looking out for them.

Traditionally that was the job of the loose forward. But front-rower Brian McTigue also used to look after his halfbacks and even Alex Murphy had cause to rely on Mac in Test matches against the Ozzies.

Good to see from Hock !

hock is rocks or diamonds!! he will lose you as many big games as he will win!! would like to see him in the nrl!! think he would get found out pretty quick.

Hock could walk into most teams, yet his fitness and disciplinary haunt him constantly. Nobody can doubt his efforts on the pitch - class act.

I wouldn't have any other back rower in SL at the moment.

nope thats what i think!! have have posted it many times before!!

you don't watch wigan enough then, he hasn't lost us a game this season, but i'd say most of our success has come when he has played well.

due to tv ive seen him a good few times this season and others!! and my following of internationals has shaped my opinion. thought he was shocking at HQ this season and in the play off's last season. alot of your own fans are devided on him at times! thats why i think rocks or diamonds is about right for hock. he looks like a world better or he is poor

Did you watch the playoff game v Bradford last season and also the Bradford and Quins games this season.

This would be when, in a poorly performing team, he was the only forward to give your side problems, scored a try, had another (wrongly) disallowed and still nowhere near played to potential! He's been excellent this season and a handful for every team he's come up against! I'll accept the rocks and diamonds analogy, if only because at times he tries 'too hard' to make things happen, particularly when the team isn't going well, but as for losing us games...I'd be interested to see you point to a single example of that this season.

i think trying too hard could be the thing!! i think with consistant controled performances he could kick on into that top bracket of backrowers

You dont get controlled with Hock and that is the side of him that has sensational games.

Hock so far this hasn't season hasn't done alot wrong for him, he has got frustrated at times but thats because teams like Leeds have targeted him. Saying that though, he still played well and impressed.

your right, especially ball stripping him constantly

"best defence in league target opposition's offloading forward who is prone to loose carry in tackle" - shocker

we have 3 choices:

1. stop play every time the ball is spilled in the tackle, refer loose carries to VR to see if ball was stolen

2. bring in second ref like in oz to clamp down on ruck infringement.

or option 3. take it on the chin and accept it as a part of the game as all teams do it as much as they can get away with it including your own.

ohhhhhhhh!

no need to get sarkey.

Thats what Trolls do isn't it?

Option 3.

But then you cannot complain that he is having bad games, if teams are targeting him and looking to strip the ball on every occasion.

im not a troll i will chat rl till the cows come home!!

i recon on most players wigan tip sheet at most clubs it will say look for hocks off load and loose carries

true, however hock is the most devistating runner of the ball of any 2nd row in the uk. i cannot think of anyone who gets close (westwood perhaps?).

i will take the odd loose carry from him because when he runs that ball in you never know what the outcome will be. he is so exiting to watch and that is his appeal. one min he will knock on or off loading willy nilly the next he is knocking players all over place and making great yards.

the best attacking british 2nd row in the game.

solomona, ali, pelatua and bird?? theres 4 who are better imo!! at worst they are as good. maybe british if you dont include ellis