"flashy, cocky and unpredictable"........ Sams in for a bad time then!

Yes - bang goes another theory!!!

Hardly. There's always an exception to every rule.

Also nice to see you ignored the rest of my post as it's yet more instances of Wane getting it wrong.

Strange how Wane only seems to have a dig at the guys who are a little different isn't it? Or do you just not see that? Please enlighten me as to why you think Mossop, Patrick or Smith haven't had the same treatment?

Either way it doesn't matter because Wane won't be here forever. He's slowly proving that he's out of his depth. The week in and week out c0ck ups he continually makes can't go on forever nor can our relegation level away form. I just hope you are enjoying these last few games with him in charge.

If josh had a good centre ..if the ball was passed to him ..how can he prove himself if the play goes forward forward n pass to the other wing ..I'm fuming at his comments about josh he looks like he is putting a winger down so much as if there are not other players to blame let's see how many times josh gets the play of ball this week .. I say waney is defamation josh character .. Just remember the past 2 years and how many tries he got .. The ball was played equally down each wing ..josh had the best centre who is a centre not a front row ..glad someone else things is a public bashing ..

well, his words aren't exactly harsh but the whole thing leaves a sourer taste in your mouth doesn't it.

a few years back and you'd see wane praising the guy week in week out for his top try scoring abilities (lets not forget with much better centres along his side).

for me, wane is technically correct in what he is saying but it should be done in private, I do not see why he feels the need to make this public in the way that he does. rather bizarre if you ask me. its almost a final warning before deciding if he is going to get shut or not.

if you ask me, it is the coach who should be worried, not josh. still the team is still in a good position and hopefully josh can do a good job against widnes to give us further selection headaches as ultimately that's all we want as fans and I'm sure wane wouldn't argue either.

Hasn't Josh himself contributed to the public discussion of his form by giving an interview to the MEN and indicating there are a couple of issues?

Not sure about that - may be completely misremembering it - but IF a player is willingly giving out public statements regarding his form (or lack of it) it does create a kind of public debate inasmuch as the press are going to keep asking questions about it regardless of whether the coach considers it a hot topic.

I should add that I totally agree about the uselessness of Mossop, who I'm sure is on a decent wedge, and the big disappointments that are Tautai and Patrick, particularly the latter. It seems odd that none of those guys have been pilloried, but then it may also relate to training, attitude, personal relationships with the backroom staff etc - we don't know what goes on there, or who annoys who.

Wow, that's quite a post.

As far as I can see Wane has included Josh over Dom, who is more worthy of the place, so that's hardly having a dig. He's challenged him to play his best, I don't see anything wrong in that.

You are again being selective. Our poor away form is more than compensated by our home form. We are two points off top, having just beaten top. To hear you banging on about how poor Wane is you'd think we were 3rd from bottom not 3rd from top.

And if you think Wane will be sacked in a 'few games' you're living in cloud cuckoo land mate. Did he steal your sweets when you were a kid or something - I mean why the downer on him?

The highlights of Leeds try's last week can't have made pretty viewing for Mossop, Tautai or Patrick.

I wouldn't select any of those three on Friday (all three will play though).

On Charnley, Wane said: "He went ok last week, he's training really well at the minute and will play again this week. I couldn't ask for any more from him with regards to his effort." Read more at www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... z0s6pse.99 Case closed. Time to find something else to bash Wane with?

On Charnley, Wane said: "He went ok last week, he's training really well at the minute and will play again this week. I couldn't ask for any more from him with regards to his effort." Read more at www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... z0s6pse.99 Case closed. Time to find something else to bash Wane with?

As I said, it could be journalistic licence on how the questions were asked and answers interpreted. Time IMO for Wane to address our pack performances please.

Shaun Wane knows Josh Charnley better than the majority on here having coached him for the majority of his career, he obviously thinks a kick up the backside will help get him back to his best and hopefully he is right

This

It's amazing how this has gone over the heads of many fans, talk about goiing over the top, as stated above it's nothing more than a kick up the

To be fair to Charnley, I thought he looked a lot more interested last week and had his best game in a while (especially up against WBW

).

Hopefully scoring last week will have given him a confidence boost and we'll see the same kind of display this week.

A bit off topic but the WBW that is Ryan Hall has to be the ultimate (really) big game player! I do believe he is the best and that's because in finals and internationals he always seems to come up with the goods but in the week to week superleague games he always seems to drift a little as though the games don't mean enough.

It'll be a total waste of his talent if he doesn't have a crack at the NRL (which I doubt he will).

WBW? Better than Tuivasa-Sheck, Morris, Korobeite, Nightingale, Radradra, etc etc? Ridiculous, in my book. Hall is a good player, but probably not even the best winger in SL.

A fair assessment, I also think he is the best around right now and would love to see him have a crack at the NRL. If we had 12 English players of similar quality to go with him, Roby, Graham, G.Burgess and Hill we would walk the internationals

Charnley has never looked anything like his earlier form since he added that last eight or ten pounds to his frame. Watching him now is like watching those astronauts struggling to walk in simulated high-gravity. Maybe this is his optimum size and frame - but I'm not sure it's doing his speed, acceleration or agility any favours.

I actually think he's clearly better than the names you've mentioned. His all round game is superb, just because he doesn't play in the NRL doesn't mean he's not the best.

Take a look at origin, QLD played 2 fullbacks on the wings and NSW play a former winger now FB and a centre on the other.

We'll have to agree to differ, then.

Not sure how many of the names I mentioned are eligible for Origin anyway. Like, I suspect, many over here, I find the arcane rules about eligibility (and the fact that they seem to coolly ignored when it suits them), and the humourless obsessiveness with which is is followed a big turn-off.

I'd say RTS and Brett Morris are better than him (though both play fullback at club level), and I think Burgess will surpass him in the next two years...though again, he may be moved to fullback for the Roosters briefly, depending on whether Latrell Mitchell is ready at the start of next season - he only turned 18 a month ago, but is absolute class.

My opinion on the Origin thing is because Aussies seem to view the wing with less importance than we do. Once a player is used to playing first grade, and is a dangerous player, you don't get enough opportunities on the wing, whereas if you can move them to fullback, they'll be involved a lot more. It's not that QLD and NSW are having to pick players (truly) out of position because there's such a lack of good wingers, it's that most of the best wingers have been moved to more pivotal positions.

Yes, agree with all of that.

who would you say that is that, out of curiosity?

Burgess. Per match him and Hall are pretty similar for metres, clean breaks and tackle busts, Burgess does better in average gain per carry, has loads more try assists, less missed tackles, less penalties and more tries. He has made more errors than Hall though. Burgess is probably better in the air too.

Yes, that.