Agreed, thought Sinfield was very goood last night, his general field place kicking was top class and turned the saints defence round many times with the ball just staying in play.

That was how I started off and then ended up calling him gash to pi55 the Loiners off.

Surely they won't drop Lockers altogether though? I'd play him and Ellis at second row with Sinfield at loose and Burgess coming off the bench. Obviously Sinfield won't be up to it with general play but we don't have any other good kickers.

I don't rate him as international level as he doesn't hit hard enough in the tackle whereas Lockers does but he does bring a good kicking game to the table. We need a fearsome hard hitting pack and Sinfield doesn't come into that catagory.

My pack -

8- Morley
9- Moore/Roby
10- Peacock
11- Ellis
12- Burgess
13- O'Loughlin

14- Carvell (prop)
15- Crabtree (2nd row)
16- Graham (prop)
17- Roby/Higham

Dont put O Loughlin in the same bracket as Sinfield. Sinfield is far far better than O Loughlin.

Nice to have you back after your notable 36 hour absence from the Wigan forum.

Pack should be

Graham
Roby
Peacock
Morley
Burgess
Lockers

bench
Ellis
LMS
Carvell
Tomkins



Start with the biggest pack we can and walk all over them from the start

At kicking? Yes.
At everything else? Definitely not.

Great trolling!

Spot on

Well if you say so, it must be true.....

Sinfiled has had his chance for GB and done nothing, a good club player but not international. When will these thick Lioners realise we do rate him as a club player but can't step up to international level with one of the big things he lacks is size and a big defence.

Chesney Hawkes has done more 'big hits' than Kevin Sinfield!

If he was to start with Peacock, Morley and Graham i am certain he would start Peacock in the 2nd row and not Morley.


I personally would go with...

8Peacock
9Moore
10Morley
11Ellis
12Burgess
13O'Loughlin

bench

14Graham
15Carvell
16Jamie Jones-Buchanan (abit like Bailey, seems brain dead in that he just doesnt care and likes to get stuck in. IMO very under rated)
17Roby

If Smith picks Sinfield for the internationals we may as well give up now. Good SL player but not up to it at international level which is a proven fact.

Next you'll be saying Wilkins is a better player

The inclusion of Sinfield for England depends on who the half backs are, neither Wilkin, O'loughlin or Burgess can play at loose while as a deputy 6. Hopefully Pryce will be nowhere near starting at 6 which leaves McGuire/Tomkins and Burrow/Myler as half backs, by watching Leeds you can see if McGuire and Burrow are used together they need an organiser and a passer not to mention Sinfields awesome kicking game both in hand and conversions.

I dont think Englands half backs are good enough to have a big loose we need a ball handling loose and Sinfield is by far our best option in that department.

No, im saying that Sinfield is better than O Loughlin. Far far better. In fact, one is a champion player, a true leader and one that backs it up time after time in a big game, stearing his players around the park and comming up with the big plays. The other is a second rower who is a good tackler.

So were as he been in the biggest games of them all called INTERNATIONAL ?

Sinfield is not fit to wipe O'Loughlins ! Watch our game against Hull KR and you will see that Lockers is not just a good defender but he is one of the best players to have in the line of attack. Sinfield is a good player like Pryce but not good enough to play the aussies, I would play him at hooker if we were desperate and thats about it.

You'd play sinfield at hooker?



In Super League Sinfield is far better than Lockers. His 40-20 turned the grand final around for me, and it's decisions like that that make him a better loose the Lockers. If you are losing a super league game and you need someone to turn it round, I would rather have Sinfield in my side that Lockers.

However

If I was in an international, I would rather have Lockers, he tackles hard, can hit a gap as well as having an average kicking game (we wouldn't be relying on him, but he could step up if needed)

Sinfield has had his chance at international, and I'm sure even an honest Rhinos fan will tell you that he has failed miserably. After all, who was loose when we beat the Aussies in sydney?? I think you will find it wasn't Sinfield

I have to agree with this - our half backs do not have a kicking game regardless of who we pick there. Sinfield kicked Saints to death at the weekend - IMO his long kicking game was probably the difference between the two sides. While he doesn't offer the same attacking or defensive presence as O'Loughlin we can't afford to go into an international series with no long kicking game or recognised goal kicker. Lockers is a better rugby player but not what the GB team needs at 13.

I dont understand how a player can be far better at SL leval but not as good at international leval

O Loughlin has never done anything against the aussies yet is exempt from a wigan fans criticism :s

There is a reason why Sinfield is captain of the best team of the SL era and O Loughlin is running around like a headless chicken, trying to be a leader at a mid table SL team.

FFS man! O'Loughlin came on as sub against the Aussies, put in 17 tackles in as many minutes, showed the GB halves how to kick (up until then they'd repeatedly put it down Minichello's throat) and, in short, did more in half a game than Sinfield has done in his entire International career! He was also MOM against NZ in the last Tri-Nations and was contender for Man of the Series. Get a grip...we get it! If it's Saints, it's super-duper, if it's Wigan it's rubbish. Please crawl back onto your own board. You're the most boring thing ever to foul up the C&W site!

You are Lockers and i claim my £5