Yeah I've noticed this, we seem to play better when we're a few scores behind. Maybe we could speak to the RFL and make sure we start every game 12 nil down



It's possibly down to our injuries though, we've simply not had our best players available for long spells to pal decent rugby; we might've scored more if we played more expansive, but we would have conceded twice as much. Does anybody else think we've been deliberately rigid in order to grind games out? I certainly don't think we'd be second if we tried to play like Cas, for instance.

I see your point and have thought it myself, does Wane have that little confidence though in our players that he basically has them playing catch and pass rugby, with the hope that the odd player makes a break, or a player drops off a tackle? To me that's how we seem to approach games, tackle well, go through the motions with the ball and hope we get lucky with the bounce of a ball or a missed tackle.

It's a strange one, we just don't have any off ball movement any more. Obviously losing SOL disrupts the team as he links play, although he has been doing far less of this even when playing this year, which is where we may be struggling.
I thought Faz coming back would help as he runs good lines out wide.

We do need to sort our attack out sharpish otherwise we're finished for the season.

Bit of an open goal there with empty vessels but I'll pass.
I'm a current ST holder and a fan for nearly 50 years so even though I've decided to stop going this season I still care about the club I have supported since I was a kid so if I want to make a comment I will.
I've decided to cease going because it's the only way I think IL will listen is when attendances drop to levels where he must act. The sheer paucity of the skill and entertainment makes my decision a little easier.
I've no problem with other people having opposite opinions or being more positive than myself.

Haha! You've bought a season ticket but don't go to games, and you think that will send a message to Lenigan? That's like going to Tesco for your weekly shopping, paying for it then leaving the trolley at the checkout.

He may be lacking confidence in the younger lads he's had to put in yeah, but not with the senior players. Bateman for instance is a player that clearly doesn't stick to a rigid structure and plays more off the cuff and I certainly don't think Wane discourages him or anyone else from playing that way. He's just had his hand forced into having a conservative game plan. Could be wrong obviously but that's how it looks to me.

It certainly stuck out a mile last night when Bateman saw a bit of space in front of him and headed full pelt for the line. Next thing, we had scored under the posts.

More of this kind of thing, please!



Asothers have said, our 'stock' attack is so easy to defend against; I can see it coming a mile off, so I'm sure opposition coaches and defenders can too. We won't win pots by relying on a bit of good footwork from Bateman or Williams.That should be regarded as a bonus, not the main source of points.

My last game was Saints at home and that was enough for me.
If I want a kip on a Friday night I can find somewhere comfier and les expensive than the DW on a Friday night

As a current season ticket holder you've already paid for your ticket. You don't have to spend a fortune in the stadium, therefore if you don't attend you have wasted approx £20 anyway.

I don't think Lenagan is a muppet, when the time is right I'm sure he will act. Your personal crusade will make 0 difference.

It's not a crusade but a personal choice.
I feel less frustrated by not going so it makes a difference to me.
As I say a personal choice which others may disagree with but hey ho

But I won't have wasted my time.
If you buy a defective product and you can't take it back you can either carry on using it or discard it. I've chosen the latter.

You are wasting your time quality rugby no longer matters the happy clappers will kiss wane's backside regardless of the dross we have to endure every week

I don't compare supporting Wigan to buying a "product". It's more emotive than that. If you buy defective goods, there is usually an alternative brand to purchase. There is no alternative to Wigan. I was born in this town and I will attend games home and away even if it bores me to tears. Call me a happy clapper or whatever, not d. I'm not ready to discard the club just because they aren't playing well.

We'll come good and the negative armchair supporters will conveniently disappear (again).

I can understand that. If I lived in Wigan I'm sure I'd go to every home game, however they were playing. Travelling to away games would be dependent on form, though, amongst other factors.

Well said mate, proper fan! Some people are massively entitled on here and don't understand the concept of 'supporting' the team; we are supporters after all.

I'm critical at the moment, does that mean I don't support the team still? I have always posted constructively why I think we are underperforming and asked what is being done by the coaching setup to change it. Trust me, I still support the team as much as ever, it's just pure frustration that we don't seem to be moving forward, and all the noises that come from Wane make it appear like it isn't an issue to him. He can get us defending, he can get us all pumped up, but we can't attack. We haven't been a potent attacking team in well over a year. That frustrates me unbelievably and I can't see anything from Wane that makes me think it will change. What I class as good, imaginative, smart rugby is a long way from what we've seen this year and a lot of last year.

I'm glad yourself and others can tolerate what we have produced this year, I wish I could do the same. I want to enjoy watching our team, I just don't enjoy watching us struggle so badly, playing predictable catch and pass rugby, when we are clearly capable of so much more.

Can't disagree with that, we have all been frustrated by the performances this year and I personally have started to lose faith in Wane. I hope he proves me wrong and we get it together for the business end. It's been a tough year injury wise but that excuse is wearing thin now.

People should still attend matches even if they are serving up garbage, the team needs support - that's why we are fans, rough with the smooth and all that. We don't have a right to win every game or even play well, but they'll do better with our support.

I'll admit in the heat of the moment I walked off at Cas thinking what a waste of money that was. Pure frustration, but I won't stop going.

Keep drumming up your support Shaun..

End of season

Exactly the same as I feel.

As I see it Ive got 3 options. 1. continue watching utter tripe. It's the only way I can describe it. As I've said previously I have watched the team for 50 years and we have had much worse teams but this team is utterly joyless to watch. Bereft of ideas but brilliant wrestlers. For me this is the 3rd season of a decline to mind numbing wrestling - I actually don't think we play rugby. I have considered this i.e. carry on regardless and would if I could see even a flicker of change.
2. I could carry on going and boo when I see low quality, low intensity and boring whiteboard rugby. I don't boo and I'd if I did I'd probably never stop during a game so that leaves
3. Stop going and hope that IL will eventually show enough interest and start to make changes.

My choice isn't the easy option for me. I love the club and was genuinely one of the 4000 or so who watched the club in the dark days of the 2nd division so I don't need telling about loyalty and alternatives. By the way I hope your jibe about armchair supporters wasn't aimed at me because that would open up your previous comments of empty vessels which I chose to ignore.

I won't call anyone who wants carry on watching and support the current set up that is absolutely their prerogative as it is mine to say actually I've had enough of the present lot. Just accept that other people have different views and that doesn't mean they have less feeling for the club.

Ok.

Wigan are under the pump as Wane would say. Friday is now a crucial game. Get embarrassed by Saints again and there will be a mass Wigan walk. I have never left a game early in the 50+ years I have been supporting Wigan. I will be very tempted to walk if Friday''s performance leaves me cold.

Would never ever leave a Wigan Saints game early. Would never give their fans the satisfaction of waving me away. Soon as the hooter goes I'm off like.

So did you have your kip?



If so you missed us nilling the old enemy even though already you'd paid for it.