Oh god, if they have to play another year at Widnes it will be the funniest thing since Barry Ward.

You can say that again.

I've also heard that they were using HSS hire equipment too...

It is worth noting as well an architect is required to sign off a building on completion to pass on their consent the building can be used in it's current condition, huge liability is put onto the architects.

"Construction" of this project has finished. Building Control sign-off will have been part of the completion conditions for Barr Construction.

Saints had the open training session the other week to satisfy safety certificates requirements which is a different approval to Building Control.

Absolute rubbish.

Great quote from SaintsFan of their board.

After someone said the stadium should be able to cope with worse weather, it was only a tad windy, SaintsFan said....

'A tad windy? Where were you between 7.30am and 8.00am this morning? It was a fookin hurricane in St Helens with monsoon rain!'

In some crazy attempt to justify the damage. Why was tesco (also a brand new structure) totally fine? How about the rest of the buildings in St Helens?

Hahahahahaha. She is one of a kind that SaintsFan, try and justify anything which supports FIOS.

Imagine what other fans would come out with if Robin Park suffered storm damage? Hahaha.

I wasn't aware all construction phases where complete but Building Control will still enforce Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 post construction, Building Control would be made aware of this issue and Saint's must rectify this to provide satisfaction to Building Control.

Building regs, heath and safety regs what ever, one thing is for sure. The old song will still be doing the rounds next year although with new lyrics. Langtree Park is falling down, falling down, build it up with pie and peas pie and peas

Care to explain what practical completion is? I'll save you the trouble, Practical Completion Certificate transfers possession of the building to the
client, and the Making Good Defects Certificate trigger the release of the retention.

In standard contractual form, ‘When in the opinion of the Architect Practical Completion of the Works is achieved, he shall forthwith issue a Certificate to that effect and Practical Completion of the Works shall be deemed for the purposes of the Contract to have taken place on the day named in such Certificate’.

The stadium would require this certificate granted by the Architects involved for Saints to gain possession of the stadium.

Actually the contract for Langtree Park was a design and build contract and therefore responsibility for assessing completion would fall to the Employer's Agent as the Architect (if one was employed) would be employed by the Contractor eg Barr. HTH.

I've been told by a Saints steward that the 1st 10 rows of away supporters are going to get wet on a rainy day, also, drums are banned.

You have proved my point the design and build procurement method shifts total responsibility to the main contractor Barr in this case for the construction and design of the stadium. I presume Barr use their own design team to produce and over see the design and therefore they are still required as acting architects to authorize the Practical Completion Certificate and hand possession of the stadium to Saints. If this incident happened prior to completion this certificate wouldn't have been granted. And I was correct with Building Control enforcing Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 which would see the stadium unfit for use until the roof issue is rectified. You can take back your "absolute rubbish" comment now.

And the back ten rows. Although that should be fixed if they ever get the cladding fitted.

And the concourse...

Again not true. Barr would not self-certify completion. As I said it would be done by the Employer's Agent who are engaged by the Employer.

Without seeing the specific terms of their contract we do not know what Barr's design responsibility is. JCT standard form only requires the contractor to "complete" the design so if the roof was already designed it may not be their responsibility.

In a design a build contract the Main Contractor (Barr) takes full responsibility for design and construction of the project either using their own design team or using a design consultancy to aid their work,the client may have provided a design brief with initial outline plan's along with preliminary costs and possible life cycle costing but Barr will be responsible for developing the design and construction it. So yes Barr have 100% responsibility in relation to the client for design hence tender cost's being greater than traditional procurement methods due to greater risk as a result of increased responsibility on contractors.

Not quite. As a D&B contract (specific instance to the roofing), design liability will ultimately be passed onto the sub-contract installer. Invariably this will be shared with the manufacturer, who will provide the specification for the gauge of the cladding material, as well as the required fastenings and fixing centres. In tandem with this will be the design responsibility for the purlins (gauge and centres), this will lie with the structural steelwork contractor.

All of the above will be calculated/specified against the design criteria as provided by the Architect and Structural Engineer (purlins only).

And the bar...

Excellent work!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!.......


Headingley is old
Belle Vue is delapidated
Wheldon Road is a 'hole' (not my words)
you can say what you want about teams grounds but.......
Saints have their own ground......


.......do you?