Agree Rogues, Fans Forum on August 5th with IL might answer some questions !!!!!

I brought up Millward to highlight your inconsistency in argument by using Noble's record at another club as a defence. I've read Rads book thanks, and I've already said I've no time for Millward.

For someone who has consistently bellyached about how house the reserves system is I'm astounded you're trying to use that as some kind of defence of Noble's record.

After three years of standing still (and if you take Noble's record for us in 2006 in terms of victories it's actually going backward) and underachieving, I'd call wanting more of the same as lacking ambition. Like you say we'll just have to agree to disagree.

All you that are calling Noble at the moment, will you be still calling him should you win either or both the GF& CC?

wiganstu wrote: ok , i have just wasted about 10 or 15 mins of my life looking on the official club web site at this seasons match reports and it looks like you are wrong rogues

from the wakey game (1st in super league) ...to when smith got hurt at HKR

smith has STARTED 12 times

sam ??? 9

not interested who was on the bench or not in the squad

so , just going of that figure , disregarding when both players have been either injured or unavailable , who would you say started the most games under noble??


But that's not what you said originally is it.
Here goes
wiganstu wrote:
there has been numerous threads on these boards bemoaning the fact that tompkins had been dropped in place of smith





or another couple of classics

wiganstu wrote: you are all getting sucked in ,,

we have had dire , absolute dire rugby , with the odd flash of glory thrown inbetween the dross

we peak aound this time every year under noble regardless of the team we turn out , why is that ????

thank you nobby , job done , move on


We're the second top try scorers in Superleague

wiganstu wrote: no

john dorahay ???


You should have been banned at that point.

It's a good job that school has finished as it's past your bed time.

How about practise what you preach, I really would have expected better from you! stu made his point you don't agree fair enough...but the childish comments at the end about past his bed time..I thought you were above that. everyone has an opinion..like you agreed to disagree with wigan.leeds andy.

and with that quote you should be banned from this forum , what have we won under him ?

What did you expect to win within the first 3 years if him taking over a team cast adrift at the bottom of the league?

I have my problems with him for sure and i'm not convinced either way about keeping him on but i never expected trophies from him in such a short space of time.

We were in a total mess when he took over.

With a statement like that you should be banned

The thing is how far have we come under him and the answer is a long way.

We have improved our league position been to 2 final eliminators a CC semi. Had more youngsters staying with the club and with the help of I.L. not broken the S.C. rules and still have a better team than when he came.

If a new coach comes and we do not make a massive step forward will he have to go to then we can get back to changing the coach with the wind direction

we are just going over old ground .

maybe we could have 1 won of the semi's if we had got the week previous off , but that would mean would would need to play better over the season to finish higher up the table ?

get my drift ??

the mentality of noble is to start performing in the last quarter of the season , his record with us and bradford proves this

my thoughts are consistency over the season breeds confidence , not just a 3 or 4 game winning streak later on

why ?? ([iit seems acceptable for old rogues to say that to me ?)[/i

for not agreeing with people , for having an opinion differetn to yours ?

get real , i made a statement that people said was wrong , i proved them wrong then rogues belittles me

refer to one of my 'classics' as rogues puts it , the fans get sucked in with this upturn in performance every season

if we werent starting from so far behind in the first place we would have a better chance of winning

check all my past posts i have been constant over the last 2 years regarding Noble. He has worked wonders with the club since he came and is the best British coach by far.

Yes. If we win anything this season it will be despite Noble, not thanks to him.

I think the players lift their game when they are self-motivated such as near the end of the season when Old Trafford is in their sights or for the Challenge Cup. They are not motivated early in the season because the cups seem so far away and they are not motivated by playing such teams as Celtic away, with holidays abroad looming.
It is up to Noble to motivate them when self-motivation isn't there. He has clearly failed to do this and must go. We should not be so far adrift of Saints.

Just how much of a mess were we in playing wise? If we were that bad we would have been relegated regardless of Noble. With the addition of two players Millward did not have the luxury of having in his side we went from rubbish to a team no one wanted to play in less than half a season.

In other words Noble fixed the problem in less than half a season.

It is his complete failure to crack on from there and build on the momentum he got into the side in 2006 that has been the problem.

Far too much is made IMO of how bad we were in 2006 simply to give Noble something big he can take credit for. We simply can not have had such a bad side that the addition of a new coach and two players turned us from relegation candidates into a good side in a matter of weeks.

Dave

JTB - is that with wigan and whos told you that??

Wasabi?

too little too late

It was interesting to hear what Radlinski had to say about Noble in his book i.e. not very much. He had lots to say about the coaches he liked i.e. Gregory and Endacott plus plenty to say about the coaches he didn't think were good for Wigan i.e. Millward and Raper. At one point he referred to Noble's enthusiasm but didn't say much else. As Radlinski is now on the coaching staff he would hardly slag off Noble but if he thought he was the right man for Wigan long term then surely he would have said so. Instead he remained silent on the matter which said it all for me.

Not the first time you have said this, can we assume you mean at Wigan.

pack it in.

I heard it from a Transvaalian Rugby Union player with a bad knee.

What you going hanging around with Transvestite R.U. Players

I think Brian Noble will get another years contract. I did have a feeling that we would get a new assistant coach for next season ie Adrian Lam, but I don't think so now, as I did read somewhere in the past that Wigan wanted to promote from within the club. The situation with Brian Noble shoud have been handled better though. Same with Mickey Higham last year.

Perhaps Justin Morgan or that aussie chap doesn't want to come to the club till the end of next season!

I don't think it matters too much how it's handled publicly as long as behind the scenes Noble knows where he stands. And I'm lead to believe he knows that.

so is the recent run his way of saying 'thank you for the new contract' or putting himself in the shop window ?

Exactly

Tbf if you look the 2006 side that Millward was sacked from it actually didnt perform much worse than the 2009 side this year in the first 10 games!!!

The only difference in 2006 was the form didnt pick up for another 5 games or so compared to this year. In reality it just shows that something is wrong in our seasons preperations as the first half of the season is never indicative of where we are as a team and the team that season was never as bad as the league table suggested even in the dark days when we were 8 pts of safety!

Comparing the two seasons

2006 - 2pts from 10 games 2009 - 6pts from 10 games

In the first 10 games in 2006 we could have easily sneaked wins in the wire, salford and catalans games, and have started that season better than this!!! So for all the hype that we were aweful....it was actually just a slightly worse start than usual....whos to say millward wouldnt have turned it around once we started playing on the drier tracks?

In reality its just how we start seasons at wigan for some unbeknown reason.....until we sort this we will never prosper come the end of the season as we will burn out and leave too much to do!! Look at our form in the 2nd half of every season and we're championship form, yet we kill our season every year before we start!!