If the game was like American Football with different Attack and Defence teams, he'd be phenomenal.

As it is, defence completely undermines him.

Never said anything about the beginning of last season, he came back from a serious neck injury and looked well off the pace initially. When he settled in to the team properly he was one of our best performers last season. He can still throw odd bad passes but he is better than Tim Smith in pretty much every facet of the game imo.

He did start well. For a guy who'd not played for about a year due to a serious neck injury.

100% my feelings about him also Rogues.

And that pass to Joel was the number 1 moment of the magic weekend and as good as i have ever seen in a long long time.

Stop the world, I'm getting off!

Is this still the silly season?

Tim Smith has a lot of potential but he showed nothing at Wigan to suggest he will ever fulfil that potential, apart from a few sporadic moments of classy play he was very poor, particularly in defence.

On that basis a comparison with a solid player like Finch is ridiculous.

Jesus christ, this isnt a serious thread? Please tell me it isn't.

Tim Smith was OK for the last 20 minutes playing against a poor newly promoted Widnes side, for the other 60 he was his usual, awful self.

Just going to post this the guy is **** and he's got big problems off the pitch

I hope this question was posted after you had at least 10 pints...?

Agreed.

Thought Tim played really well at times last night particularly in 2nd half, some lovely handling and if you want to show a youngster the correct way to pass a football ,show them the ones to Isaac John for their first try and then the one for Richie Mathers try , ball presented to receiver at good angle and speed ,throw in the pass changes the angle of attack and you'll have a troubled defence- very good technically

and as for his try cant remember him running at a defence too often at Wigan but Classy footwork

had a quick chat with him after the game - said it got better as it went along , there is less pressure than at Wigan but he's older now so its up to him to be more consistent and handle the expectation

Different lad than a couple of years ago -which is good all round- hope he does well

Thats an excellent point, the stand off position in the last 15 years has seen many a player come and go and never really impress me apart from Trent Barrett. Nigel Wright, Danny Orr, Matty Johns, Henry Paul, Jules O'Neill, Greg Florimo. All came for big money and promise but never really delivered.

Tim Smith is the best passer of the ball in super league IMO. He just can't defend.

Smith can't run, can't tackle and can't even dance a little.

come on we all know that lockers is the best passer of a ball in superleague, Phil clarke told us and stupid he aint.



seriously though Tim Smith was by far the worst NRL player I have ever seen while playing for Ricky Stuarts Cronulla in 2010. it was an awful side but he was Simply dreadful. His decision making is shocking so it makes no difference how good you can chuck the thing when you dont know what to do with it.

He was dreadful for the first hour or so...knock ons, forward passes, lazy defending...then perked up a bit for the last 20 minutes against a tiring Widnes defence.

Henry Paul never really impressed you?

Was he was probably out of that list the best but was a better player at Bradford. Am not saying the players are below par, just didnt seem to perform in a Wigan shirt.

I don't believe for one second he was a better player at Bradford, he was the most elusive stand off at Wigan I've seen, the only thing he had different at Bradford was his goal kicking. He'd lost a bit of his pace by the time he got to Bradford.

Henry Paul was a great player imo. Great balance with the ball in hand. In fact only since Sam Tomkins has come into the side have we seen someone who made attacking with ball in hand look so effortless.

A little known fact is he also came over as a potential goal kicker.

Taxi for CPF

I might change my answer after today.

Well that would be jumping the gun abit. Tim Smith isnt fit to lace Brett Finchs boots. I've never known a player to be so under rated by Wigan fans. Bar his kicking game he played well today.

That was said tongue in cheek. Do you honestly think Finch played well today!? I thought he was the worst player on the pitch, he looked uninterested most of the time. He wasn't getting his hands on the ball enough and some of his decision making was terrible.

The forwards never laid a decent platform and the awful kicking from Finch, Sam, Leuluai, whoever else fancied a go meant that we were on the back foot and starting most of our sets deep in our own half.

Tim Smith has never had a running game and poor defence. Even without his off-field issues he'd been found out in the NRL. A halfback who passes every time they get the ball is almost as ineffective as one who runs every time. The only exception I've seen is when Brent Sherwin played behind a pack including O'Meley, SBW and Mason, who just monstered the opposition.

Finch has always been a solid player but generally the support act (i.e. the opposite of Barrett). If you have a good halfback alonside him he'll be fine.

What happens when he has a Hooker playing alongside him?