Agree with that.

But then again, Ashton wasn't the question was it, the option that was posed was Richards at fb.

whats that got to do with anything?

have we still got ashton in the squad? No.

Is there a better fullback in the squad? For me, no. He's better there than richards.

Is it one of the most pressing concerns with our rubbish team? No. Phelps is one of the few "positives" from this season so far.


Ashton had to go, we weren't going to pay him what he wanted as it was a silly amount for such a young unproven lad.
Also, i think there are similarities between ashton and ainscough, great attacking but not the best defensively. Which one has the better attitude to improve and play for wigan?

Orford has aspirations to still play rep football in Australia. Kimmorley has done all that.

I seem to racall a good few year back that Kimmorley was offered a contract by a SL club and he turned around and stated that he had no intensions of playing over here, he might have even rubbished our game, but then went on to state that he would probabley come for one last payday, thats either true or the copius amount of Doves i did in the early 90's are playing tricks with me again, C'mon Rainhill posse massiv



P.S. he also has the same birthday as me

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but i must admit, i still like reading that! dreams are an important thing to have!!!

The more I read it the more I start to think that the whole O'Meely, Mason and Orford etc coming to us is just like 90% of rumours on here Bullsh&t!.

But ofco we all can dream

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Standards need to be raised.

Smith, Phelps, Bailey and Coley should all go in my opinion provided Lenagan can find the right quality to fill the cap space.

Goulding, Hansen, Carmont, Prescott/O'Carroll and Fielden should all go the year after. The rest of the squad are players I'd want to keep but the departures of the above players should be more than enough to revamp the squad to the extent we need.

Its simply dependant on whether Lenagan can deliver the goods over the next couple of years.

i think theres room for both of them tbh, if coley leaves this year, and fielden next.

Like I said standards need to be raised.

I'm actually doubtful as to whether either are good enough but the bottom line is they're in direct competition with each other for a possible long-term place.

I agree with the list of player's, but I think O'Carroll could and should be one to keep hold of, he as a huge potential.

I like O Carroll but I like Prescott more. Up to him getting injured last season I thought he was our best prop and might have made international. Glad to see him back in the first team and running strong and hard. I'd not let Prescott go. He's gonna be a special player and he's maturing really well.

Ainscough, tomkins gleeson tommy as a 9, feka hock j tomkins lockers are the only 1st teamers worth keepin.

So many on here believe average players are good, it's actually laughable.

Someone said phelps was superb, Richards and carmont as outstanding-what a joke.

If Wigan did have a world class player he'd be a god, oh yes lord Farrell I forgot.

Bang on all you want, the table drowns out the cr@p people speak, till we realise were and who we are we'll never progress.

IL is at Dairy Farmers stadium watching the Cowboys and Newcastle KNights. The commentary team are suggesting Wigan are looking at Carl Webb, the Cowboys front rower.

Thoughts?

Yes, we are.

got told off a person very close to the club that we are looking at chris bailey

Crazy signing if we go ahead. Webb is average at best. He is a good 20 minute prop, much like Feka. Not what we need.

Should go for Thurston. That is the type of 7 we need at the club.

A certain phil baileys brother and a half back to boot.

Would that mean phil bailey will be staying?

That's actually so true. I'd expect the following positions to have changes over the next two years.

1 - New FB
2 - Roberts - Just not recieving enough ball
3 - Glesson
4 - New Centre - If K. Pryce doesn't fit the bill
5 - Ainscough
6 - New W/C Halfback
7 - S. Tomkins
8 - Fielden - Only on seriously reduced pay
9 - Tommy
10 - New Brutal Prop
11 - Hock
12 - J. Tomkins
13 - O'Loughlin

Bench
Mossop/Hansen - to be kept if Mossop isn't up to SL standard)
Maccie/Riddell - Too many on Riddell's back, given time he perform, we have nothing to play for this season why can't the fans give him it.
Feka - Kept if he starts to perform again, other then that I think we could find better.
New Prop

The rest in my opinion are average players - Bailey, Coley, Phelps, Carmont, Richards, Hansen, Goulding, T. Smith (has great talent just doesn't want to be here)

That's all I'd expect IL to change. O and the Coach

- Ricky Stuart

Your passion does you credit, but the sort of wholesale changes you propose can't happen any more. A lot of those whose attitude you regard as 'laughable' are merely being realistic.

Imagine life at Wigan if no-one at all was happy until the best player in the world occupied each respective shirt.

Sometimes you just have to accept that what you've got is good enough for the time being.

I'd agree that we're not there yet, and that new, better players are required in certain positions. But you have to get real. We can't change so many players in one go, or even over a period of several years - contracts, quotas, etc, and being totally peed off about the fact will serve no purpose at all.

Before we win any cup Coley and Fielden have to have left. Coley performing above his actual weight if you ask me and Fielden is a spent force.

Lets move on, with 2 new props and one of O'Carrol or Prescott.

A new halfback and we'll be alright. Happy with Phelps at FB for now. Riddell needs more time, maybe he may do a Pat and just be having a bad first season. But if he carries on being crap either sell up or let his contract run out.

We've just bought badly. For god sake wigan look inward before buying. Look at who we've got before bringing in average players like phelps and bailey.
Carmont and richards are alright at best letsbe honest.