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| I don't see why people are taking out their irritation on the couple or so Cas fans who have posted here. Seems to me their comments have been fine and on topic.
As for ZH, it's hard to imagine Wigan fans accepting him now; surely any chance of his putting on a Wigan jersey have now gone for good? I certainly hope so.
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_biggrin.gifOH:'"
Yep. Give him a chance - at the time was IMHO and a lot of other posters and fans opinion, the right thing to do at the time given his proven quality. I’m more than happy to be proved wrong but in this case it was the absolute last thing I wanted.
That chance was given and subsequently blown, give him all the stick you, we and I please now. If he remains a Wigan player it’s a bloody disgrace.
As you may see I’ve distinctly moved off the fence into the get rid side in the last few hours.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Didn't want us to sign him, don't want to give him his 10th chance now. Get rid, use the marquee spot to entice either an NRL halfback or Gale.'"
hes not marquee
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| Didn’t want us to sign him but when we did I was prepared to give him a chance to show he’s finally growing up and making a go of his career. Sadly he isn’t able to keep his head down and he should get no more chances at this club because he simply isn’t worth the risk.
Over before it began is how this should end.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"Yep. Give him a chance - at the time was IMHO and a lot of other posters and fans opinion, the right thing to do at the time given his proven quality. I’m more than happy to be proved wrong but in this case it was the absolute last thing I wanted.
That chance was given and subsequently blown, give him all the stick you, we and I please now. If he remains a Wigan player it’s a bloody disgrace.
As you may see I’ve distinctly moved off the fence into the get rid side in the last few hours.'" we have a dick in the family that keeps going off the rails, I given more support, financially, supportive, taken to the hospital when needed all thrown back in our faces all at a time when my mrs father came down with dementia left our lass in the lurch not bad for a son eh, yr gone by and he's come back as nothing has happened,
zac has had his chances he needs a chaperone who will be at his side 24/7 who's trustworthy otherwise he's just another waster
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| The saving grace for Wigan is that he has done this now, and not in 12 months time, on the eve of a Grand Final, after a Man of Steel winning year.
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| Say what you want about Gareth Hock but there is someone who took the correct path when he could have easily gone down the wrong one after his ban. Got his head down and grafted and is still playing to this day. Zak could learn a lot from him
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Say what you want about Gareth Hock but there is someone who took the correct path when he could have easily gone down the wrong one after his ban. Got his head down and grafted and is still playing to this day. Zak could learn a lot from him
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Or maybe Gaz just didn’t get caught?
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"Or maybe Gaz just didn’t get caught?'"
Like a few more who were with him on the night!
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Like a few more who were with him on the night!'"
The stories I hear I’m amazed more players haven’t been banned,luckily for them the stuff is so watered down it’s out of their system in no time.
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| Quote ="RichieS"He's fine. Had over 9 RDT in the last 13 weeks and aced them all. He's well aware of the doubts everyone has and is very much looking forward to kicking off the season next year. He is 30/40% off the pace and knows he has his work cut out to get match fit for next year, that is the only worry we should really have as Wigan fans.'"
Did you seriously believe that?
There is just no helping the lad but he seems to pull the wool over some eyes and get chance after chance. No doubt if you sack him there will be a que of SL clubs willing to give him his "Last chance".
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Did you seriously believe that?
There is just no helping the lad but he seems to pull the wool over some eyes and get chance after chance. No doubt if you sack him there will be a que of SL clubs willing to give him his "Last chance".'"
*Welcome to Toronto*
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Did you seriously believe that?
There is just no helping the lad but he seems to pull the wool over some eyes and get chance after chance. No doubt if you sack him there will be a que of SL clubs willing to give him his "Last chance".'"
Everytime he messed up at Leeds we always had someone on the Leeds board claiming to know how the meetings went between Hardaker and the club and EVERYTIME it was the clubs fault for handling things badly and they were overly harsh to him.
Exact same when he left Cas and you could read comments from someone who knew him placing the blame on how Cas handled things.
If Wigan get rid almost certain you’ll hear how Wigan were harsh and unfair on him and there was more to things than what you read in the news.
He might sound all apologetic and say the right things in his public apologies but clear he paints a different, harshly treated picture to those close to him who buy it and sell it.
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| [* Quote ="JWarriors"*Welcome to Toronto*'"
Away games only, presumably? Not a cat in hell's chance the Canadian Border Control are letting him in.
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| Not sure you can terminate contracts on an alleged DD charge, as serious as drink driving is, it’s not uncommon unfortunately. He seems a liability, who probably needs professional help.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"Not sure you can terminate contracts on an alleged DD charge, as serious as drink driving is, it’s not uncommon unfortunately. He seems a liability, who probably needs professional help.'"
Surely Wigan wouldn’t be so stupid as to sign Zac without a clause in his contract relating to his conduct.
He was known to have issues with alcohol so surely they would have made it clear their expectations.
He now deserves to be left out to dry. He’s clearly not willing to change. When a great kid like Macauley Davies has to give up the game whilst this muppet shows he really doesn’t give a toss he doesn’t deserve to be given Another chance.
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| Quote ="Pieman"hes not marquee'"
Didn't realise that. So we presumably have a marquee spot free anyway then with Tomkins leaving, and cap allowance to make use of the nominal value of a marquee player if we ditch Hardaker
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| Quote ="just_browny"[*Away games only, presumably? Not a cat in hell's chance the Canadian Border Control are letting him in.'"
A common misconception. No one on any RL team has been denied a visa so far. It just takes longer. Toronto is a very good bet I'd say.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"A common misconception. No one on any RL team has been denied a visa so far. It just takes longer. Toronto is a very good bet I'd say.'"
Todd Carney was rejected a Visa for the UK though, can see it potentially happening. I know the wrestler Jeff Hardy can't appear in Canada because he's had convictions for a few things including drink driving.
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| Quote ="jools"Surely Wigan wouldn’t be so stupid as to sign Zac without a clause in his contract relating to his conduct.
He was known to have issues with alcohol so surely they would have made it clear their expectations.
He now deserves to be left out to dry. He’s clearly not willing to change. When a great kid like Macauley Davies has to give up the game whilst this muppet shows he really doesn’t give a toss he doesn’t deserve to be given Another chance.'"
Dont think you could cover every clause in a contract, which would protect you from Zaks misdemeanours, Zaksit or remain an interesting decision for the Wigan management.
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| Quote ="Towns88"You moved Joel tomkins on for less....'"
And although I have not read every comment on the DD issue that above is a very pertinent comment.
If the club does want to keep ZH, the PR department has got its work cut out.
Was never in favour of the signing myself but once he started training with Wigan I didn't think there was much point going on about it and I even dared to think he might be good to watch next season. A bridge had been crossed, he was back in RL so may as well see what he can do. So somewhat ironically I am very disappointed he's potentially got himself sacked and has (depending on the clubs reaction) blown it.
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| Didn't want to sign him in the first place as this sort of thing was bound to happen sooner or later. Hock, as far as I can recall, only had problems off the field once and appears to have learned his lesson. Hock is still a loose cannon on the field but that is what makes him the player he is. Zak's off field misdemeanours are to numerous to mention.
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| Quote ="dr_feelgood"Didn't want to sign him in the first place as this sort of thing was bound to happen sooner or later. Hock, as far as I can recall, only had problems off the field once and appears to have learned his lesson. Hock is still a loose cannon on the field but that is what makes him the player he is. Zak's off field misdemeanours are to numerous to mention.
Sarge to FB, Hankinson right centre, Gilly left centre and Morgan off the bench?'"
I’d try Manfredi at full back, granted it could go either way but if it worked he would be sensational
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| The flabbergasting thing is that I think most people saw something like this happening at some point but even the harshest critic of him must’ve thought he’d get through more then a months worth of training before it blew up!
If he can’t keep his head down at this point then he’s never going to be able to do it IMO. I’d love to know if he’s genuinely bothered deep down? He can say what he wants and people can say he needs help but does he think he needs help or is he actually enjoying the life he leads? I get the sense his only regrets are getting caught.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I’d love to know if he’s genuinely bothered deep down? He can say what he wants and people can say he needs help but does he think he needs help or is he actually enjoying the life he leads? I get the sense his only regrets are getting caught.'"
I reckon you're right. He did mention depression when he left us for Cas but this seemed to coincide with being alienated from his mates in Ponte, first by Leeds trying to curfew him then by his stint down under. It's pretty obvious where his interests lie and it's not with his RL career.
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