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| Quote ="snowie"not the just this in general the whole game gone corrupt, its been the first time in along time since I haven't held a season ticket at our club due to not financially being able to afford it, I actually work in our ground as we have a micro brewery in the corner, this opportunity was given to us after helping us at time when the club required help with stadium issues, so I've pretty close to some of the problems we've encountered, we've turned this club from being in debt to now running on an even keel but its not without further issues, I've seen first hand how we've struggled to get were we are now and get no praise for their efforts, the sky media has constantly battered us for years and in some way we've deserved some of it, the uneven distribution of live games has again effected the club in a season when we have been worthy of viewing, as for the discipline panel well you only have to just look at most of what's been dished out of late and even you should see that there's no common ground
so yes I fear after years of enjoying the game even at the lower end of the league this season maybe the last, my hearts not in it anymore'"
Your crowds will be dropping then , are your lot still boycotting all the Childs games was 2 sin bins and a sending off not enough for you
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| Quote ="rochdale warrior"Your crowds will be dropping then , are your lot still boycotting all the Childs games was 2 sin bins and a sending off not enough for you'" they haven't been good for years but then tickets was handed out like sweets
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| Quote ="rochdale warrior"Your crowds will be dropping then , are your lot still boycotting all the Childs games was 2 sin bins and a sending off not enough for you'"
The sport's corrupt, biased against the nothing clubs!
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"The sport's corrupt, biased against the nothing clubs!'" ok go play on your own
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I just think the RFL are simply inviting criticism with the way they do things. Why bother announcing a Grade C which carries 2-3 games if they are then going to consider these "mitigating factors." Why not consider the factors and then decide on a Grade? At least that way they won't be seen to be backing down and changing their minds. They really don't help themselves at all.
The backlash is inevitable but I can assure people this isn't anything to do with me being a Saints fan. I just don't understand their methods and I feel they could avoid a lot of the criticism by doing things differently.'"
A very sensible post, I have to agree. I think the issue is one panel set the initial charge where the player concerned is not present and is unable to defend themselves then a different panel decides the punishment in a hearing where the player can defend themselves, in some cases resulting in a lesser charge. The system was supposed to make it more transparent but instead is breeding more controversy.
I also believe this is made worse as some believe the bigger clubs can somehow pull their weight and influence in a way the smaller clubs can't.
As I posted on the VT in this case I think the 3 matches was reduced to 2 as he pleaded guilty which is consistent across the board then reduced by a further match as he was sent off which is also consistent with previous cases. I think ending up with 1 match is lenient, I also think the diciplinary are consistanly lenient and should be handing out larger bans in general.
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| Quote ="snowie"ok go play on your own
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Have you decided if you're going down with the ship or you going to abandon your club like a rat fleeing said ship yet?
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| Quote ="jimlav"Not read anything in this thread, but I do have to say, I am extremely concerned that this was only a 1 game ban.
I understand all the mitigating evidence. Especially the fact that he was send from the field in the first half (which when we see people staying on the field and getting 2-3 game bans quite regularly shows that being sent off is actually worse than a 2-3 game ban). But that was clearly worth more than 1 game. I thought 2 games would have been acceptable.
From a player welfare point of view it does not look great. I can see that it is small margins from being a good tackle, and it isn't like he is dropping someone on their neck, but he did hit him high and with a flying arm.
From a club view I am obviously happy, but not sure I agree with it from the sports point of view.'"
I'm with you Jimmy on this one.
The stick that SOL gets from opposing fans at times is laughable however, in this instance it was a bad irrespective if he was stepped or whatever. I don't believe that SOL is a dirty player at all and consider him to be the best pound for pound tackler in the competition and has been for sometime.
I've watched the tackle a number of times and nothing will convince me that a one match ban is sufficient punishment for a pretty reckless tackle. What would the response be if Sam Tomkins was on the receiving end of a similar tackle?
Like yourself from a club point of view it is a far better result than I expected and I won't be complaining come the semi but the inconsistency of the review panel isn't good for the game.
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| Quote ="jimlav"Not read anything in this thread, but I do have to say, I am extremely concerned that this was only a 1 game ban.
I understand all the mitigating evidence. Especially the fact that he was send from the field in the first half (which when we see people staying on the field and getting 2-3 game bans quite regularly shows that being sent off is actually worse than a 2-3 game ban). But that was clearly worth more than 1 game. I thought 2 games would have been acceptable.
From a player welfare point of view it does not look great. I can see that it is small margins from being a good tackle, and it isn't like he is dropping someone on their neck, but he did hit him high and with a flying arm.
From a club view I am obviously happy, but not sure I agree with it from the sports point of view.'"
I'm with you Jimmy on this one.
The stick that SOL gets from opposing fans at times is laughable however, in this instance it was a bad irrespective if he was stepped or whatever. I don't believe that SOL is a dirty player at all and consider him to be the best pound for pound tackler in the competition and has been for sometime.
I've watched the tackle a number of times and nothing will convince me that a one match ban is sufficient punishment for a pretty reckless tackle. What would the response be if Sam Tomkins was on the receiving end of a similar tackle?
Like yourself from a club point of view it is a far better result than I expected and I won't be complaining come the semi but the inconsistency of the review panel isn't good for the game.
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| When I woke up this morning and read a 1 game ban I couldn't believe it. Even as a Wigan fan I think 3 games would be the correct call and reduced to 2 with EGP. The disciplinary at the RFL are a joke though, look at the Saints reserve getting a 5 game ban for the same offence he received a 10 game ban for not long ago. The way the sport is run back home is a joke from top to bottom.
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I think O'Loughlin has been fortunate and expected him to take the egp with a then two game ban.
However just to clear something up those grades are =#FF0000 guidelines only NOT hard rules. It's cost him £300 which he wouldn't have had to pay. Obviously they have taken his previous good record and the fact that he missed over half the game into consideration. It would probably help if the disciplinary added a paragraph in the sentencing guidelines to explain that these thing can be taken into consideration. If O'Loughlin is rested v Saints it'll be £300 wasted.
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary
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I think O'Loughlin has been fortunate and expected him to take the egp with a then two game ban.
However just to clear something up those grades are =#FF0000 guidelines only NOT hard rules. It's cost him £300 which he wouldn't have had to pay. Obviously they have taken his previous good record and the fact that he missed over half the game into consideration. It would probably help if the disciplinary added a paragraph in the sentencing guidelines to explain that these thing can be taken into consideration. If O'Loughlin is rested v Saints it'll be £300 wasted.
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I think O'Loughlin has been fortunate and expected him to take the egp with a then two game ban.
However just to clear something up those grades are=#FF0000 guidelines only NOT hard rules. It's cost him £300 which he wouldn't have had to pay. Obviously they have taken his previous good record and the fact that he missed over half the game into consideration. It would probably help if the disciplinary added a paragraph in the sentencing guidelines to explain that these thing can be taken into consideration. If O'Loughlin is rested v Saints it'll be £300 wasted.
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary'"
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2.4
MITIGATING FACTORS
Previous Good Record
Provocation
Technique or Fitness
in some cases
Genuine Remorse
Other Mitigating Factors
2.4.1
Previous Record
Where a Player has a good previous record this may be treated as a mitigating factor
Must have been playing the game at professional level for long enough to have
established a good record eg at least three years.
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Genuine Remorse
Genuine remorse for the Offence
and formal apologies to his opponent may be
mitigating pleas.
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The Tribunal, when sanctioning a player, may consider whether that
Player was dismissed from the field
and the time of dismissal
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I think O'Loughlin has been fortunate and expected him to take the egp with a then two game ban.
However just to clear something up those grades are=#FF0000 guidelines only NOT hard rules. It's cost him £300 which he wouldn't have had to pay. Obviously they have taken his previous good record and the fact that he missed over half the game into consideration. It would probably help if the disciplinary added a paragraph in the sentencing guidelines to explain that these thing can be taken into consideration. If O'Loughlin is rested v Saints it'll be £300 wasted.
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary'"
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2.4
MITIGATING FACTORS
Previous Good Record
Provocation
Technique or Fitness
in some cases
Genuine Remorse
Other Mitigating Factors
2.4.1
Previous Record
Where a Player has a good previous record this may be treated as a mitigating factor
Must have been playing the game at professional level for long enough to have
established a good record eg at least three years.
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Genuine Remorse
Genuine remorse for the Offence
and formal apologies to his opponent may be
mitigating pleas.
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Dismissal
The Tribunal, when sanctioning a player, may consider whether that
Player was dismissed from the field
and the time of dismissal
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| Quote ="WiganPom"When I woke up this morning and read a 1 game ban I couldn't believe it. Even as a Wigan fan I think 3 games would be the correct call and reduced to 2 with EGP. The disciplinary at the RFL are a joke though, look at the Saints reserve getting a 5 game ban for the same offence he received a 10 game ban for not long ago. The way the sport is run back home is a joke from top to bottom.'"
Stop pandering to the outraged idiots on here. One game is more than enough punishment. There have been similar tackles down the years that haven't even received a yellow card never mind a red and a ban.
Also, for a comparison, I'd like to bring up Ben Westwood's punch on Blake Green. That received a one match ban, now somebody please show me a thread that generated even half the replies this one has in 'outrage' over that. Oh wait, it was AGAINST Wigan so nobody cares.
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| Quote ="PurpleCheeseWarrior"Stop pandering to the outraged idiots on here. One game is more than enough punishment. There have been similar tackles down the years that haven't even received a yellow card never mind a red and a ban.
Also, for a comparison, I'd like to bring up Ben Westwood's punch on Blake Green. That received a one match ban, now somebody please show me a thread that generated even half the replies this one has in 'outrage' over that. Oh wait, it was AGAINST Wigan so nobody cares.'"
SOL tackle deserved more than a one match ban and you know it.
There were stronger aggravating circumstances than mitigating in this case.
If it had been the other way round I would have loved to see the reaction on here (not that Annakin would have only got away with a 1 game ban mind)
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| Quote ="Geoff"(snipped some bits for clarity)
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2.4.5
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He didn't show any of this, he didn't even have the decency to see if Annakin was ok straight after laying him out...
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"SOL tackle deserved more than a one match ban and you know it.
There were stronger aggravating circumstances than mitigating in this case.
If it had been the other way round I would have loved to see the reaction on here (not that Annakin would have only got away with a 1 game ban mind)'"
Yes, its all that Wigan bias up at red hall again, you dont need to tell us, we already know that we own the RFL. Rightly so really, the sport would be lost without us. And if the words of yourself "and you know it"
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| Quote ="PurpleCheeseWarrior"Stop pandering to the outraged idiots on here. One game is more than enough punishment. There have been similar tackles down the years that haven't even received a yellow card never mind a red and a ban.
Also, for a comparison, I'd like to bring up Ben Westwood's punch on Blake Green. That received a one match ban, now somebody please show me a thread that generated even half the replies this one has in 'outrage' over that. Oh wait, it was AGAINST Wigan so nobody cares.'"
Ah yes, the one that broke Green's eye socket.
Broken Eye socket - 1 match
Concussion - 1 match
Sick of this, im boycotting the sport
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| Quote ="21-12"Yes, its all that Wigan bias up at red hall again, you dont need to tell us, we already know that we own the RFL. Rightly so really, the sport would be lost without us. And if the words of yourself "and you know it"'"
I am not suggesting it is Wigan bias, but clearly the punishment in this instance does not fit the crime and if you think it does you are either (a) taking the pee or (b) were on the disciplinary panel that heard the case on Tuesday.
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| Quote ="21-12"Ah yes, the one that broke Green's eye socket.
Broken Eye socket - 1 match
Concussion - 1 match
Sick of this, im boycotting the sport'"
Don't do that, Wigan is the most important team in RL and we need all your fans to ensure the GF and Challenge Cup are sell outs
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Don't do that, Wigan is the most important team in RL and we need all your fans to ensure the GF and Challenge Cup are sell outs'"
Very true.
After all, we are most teams biggest attendance every season when they play us. Imagine the lack of income for the smaller clubs if Wigan didnt exist?! Not even worth thinking about.
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| Quote ="drdnght"He didn't show any of this,[u he didn't even have the decency to see if Annakin was ok straight after laying him out[/u...'"
When a Leeds player was unfortunately injured some years ago during a game, most of our team went over to check on his health and were vilified for doing so.... You just can't win sometimes...
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| Quote ="Geoff"(snipped some bits for clarity)
2.4
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Previous Good Record
Provocation
Technique or Fitness
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Genuine Remorse
Other Mitigating Factors
2.4.1
Previous Record
Where a Player has a good previous record this may be treated as a mitigating factor
Must have been playing the game at professional level for long enough to have
established a good record eg at least three years.
2.4.4
Genuine Remorse
Genuine remorse for the Offence
and formal apologies to his opponent may be
mitigating pleas.
2.4.5
Dismissal
The Tribunal, when sanctioning a player, may consider whether that
Player was dismissed from the field
and the time of dismissal
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Thanks for that. It adds some clarity to the reasoning for the length of his ban. As for some fans saying that Fielden and Sculthorpe played for Wigan, they don't seem to remember (conveniently) that Danny Sculthorpe also played for Wakefield.
Danny Sculthorpe was actually at the game supporting his state of mind charity, which I guess is more than most of the fans who are attacking the decision were.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Thanks for that. It adds some clarity to the reasoning for the length of his ban. As for some fans saying that Fielden and Sculthorpe played for Wigan, they don't seem to remember (conveniently) that Danny Sculthorpe also played for Wakefield.
Danny Sculthorpe was actually at the game supporting his state of mind charity, which I guess is more than most of the fans who are attacking the decision were.'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Thanks for that. It adds some clarity to the reasoning for the length of his ban. As for some fans saying that Fielden and Sculthorpe played for Wigan, they don't seem to remember (conveniently) that Danny Sculthorpe also played for Wakefield.
Danny Sculthorpe was actually at the game supporting his state of mind charity, which I guess is more than most of the fans who are attacking the decision were.'"
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