You are being holier than thou, and you are grandstanding.

You're still talking about the 'thuggery at the weekend' - a week later. You're trying to link it to the Wigan coach (even though he only did what every RL coach does before a match). You readily dismiss other examples of violence, because it clearly doesn't suit your position to admit that RL can be a very violent game whatever colours you are wearing. And you accuse me of trying to defend an indefensible position, which I didn't. I've never once said that Flowers did right or didn't deserve his punishment.

You then try the amateur psychology thing - that this irritation with holy joe prats like you, who can't let anything drop, is actually a sign that we were unhappy to lose.

Sure I was unhappy to lose. But that doesn't mean you haven't been exposed as a phony.

You are defending it by your constant digging up of old events to try to justify the position. Nope still not grandstanding and still not holier than thou. Wane's pre-match talk down under was an embarrassment to the game. Maybe other coaches do it but he was stupid enough to allow the cameras in to watch it. We'll never know what was said before the Grand Final but Flower's actions suggest that a few thins certainly were.
Get over it, you sad, bitter little person. You're making yourself look silly now. There's always next season.

What was said by NB to get Hohaia so frothing at the mouth he attacked a prop with his elbow off the ball?

But it won't stop you commenting - again and again and again.

This whole outcry about Wane's pre-match talk at the WCC really is beginning to annoy me. As many have said, similar sentiments are conveyed every week both by rugby league and rugby union coaches, professional and amateur. Emotive and exaggerated language is used to gee up one's players and get them into an aggressive frame of mind. Nothing new at all - rugby has always been a very physical game.
I am not sure how many on here have ever seen the Sky reviews of the Lions Rugby Union tours - they tend to show them late at night every so often. The sentiments expressed and swearing in these videos is just as bad if not worse than anything Wane said. Listen to Jim Telfer (coach), Martin Johnson, Brian Moore and Dallalgio amongst others f...ing and blinding, " smash the f...ing c...ts, rip the ba....rds' heads off, break their f...ing legs" etc etc and - and some of it said by some surprising characters -Jerry Guscutt and I think even Jonny Wilkinson could be heard effing! This is what happens in a rugby changing room - it may offend people, but it happens!
This holier than thou attitude of some posters, particularly several Saints and Wire fans, on here is nauseating and simply hypocritical - or maybe it just reveals they do not know and understand as much about the game as they think........

Wrong again. Most of my comments have been to put you right on things - for example, NZ days behind rest of world etc. You're the one who always seems to need the last word. Still stewing over that major upset last week obviously. Don't worry, you will get over it one day.
Fortunately most Wiganers have been realistic about what happened last week, there's always one though....

Attempting to change the subject won't save you.

I suspect Hohaia's attack was prompted more by the hit to the back of the head he had just received from Ben Coward.

I suppose it's quite easy calling a six foot seventeen stone prop a coward from the safety of your keyboard eh?

Wrong again.

Excellent post.

I don't suppose you'll get much response though because deep down they will know you are right.

When LH deliberately looks at the line of BF's run and then steps across the front of him to obstruct him. Then he has to expect that a 17 stone prop will most likely run through him rather than around him. If turner got a knocked out of the way a couple of times maybe the refs would pick up on his blatant obstructions. Or he might think twice about it.

Nothing wrong with running across Flowers line in open play as long as there was no contact, LH is a lot faster than Flower and I think he knew he had no chance of running around him so in total frustration he punched LH to the side of the head from behind causing LH to go to ground. All started by Flower and Finished by Flower.

its obstruction

Yes it is .......... but I'd be just as happy calling it him to his face........... not that you'll choose to believe that, nor (unfortunately) am I likely to get the opportunity.

Well I'm impressed

Have you got a 10 inch dong too?

If you look carefully, you will find it is actually his wife's keyboard.

She lets him use it when he is a good boy.

You can get the opportunity easily. Just hang around outside the DW, or your own stadium, on match-day. The teams don't enter by magic carpet. They get off coaches and walk across the forecourt. Loads of fans know this, because they line up for autographs etc. You can even use a mobile phone to immortalise your moment of excellence, and you can then post it on here - just to prove you aren't a cowardly, full-of-sh** little creep.

From the one who is quite happy dishing out his own personal attacks.

I'm not going to manufacture a meeting by hanging around outside grounds, that would make me a stalker; nor am I going to purchase a mobile phone just so I can post something on here.
I'm merely saying that if I met him, and the opportunity arose, I'd be quite happy to say that his act was that of a thug and a coward ............ what's he going to do? ........... hit me and prove me correct.
However, in 30+ years of following the game, I've only met 2 Wigan players, so as I said, it's unlikely to happen.

You don't need to convince me. I know without a shadow of a doubt that it won't happen.

If Hohaia knew he was faster than Flower then why obstruct him? he could (and should have just claimed the ball) I suggest you read Stuart Cummings article in this weeks League Weekly (page 11 of the Grand Final review) where he discusses the officiating of the game.

Well I'm impressed

Do you really think you'd be telling him something he doesn't already know? If he was going round singing from the roof tops you'd have a case, as he himself and the club have said, he knows what he's done and he's distraught about it.

Just let it go, everyone seems to have done apart from certain supporters.