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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Looks like more than handbags from that still, although I understand I'd need to see the full video to be certain. Can't really see any justification for elbowing someone in the face though to be honest no matter what the severity. As for the Flower punch; straight red, no question.'"
How about the initial strike from flower on lance, whilst Lance had his back turned. WOuld that be provocation???
Lance was wrong to react to the initial strike to his head. I'm not going to argue that.
But like I say, it's a yellow for Flower for striking Lance, a yellow for Lance for striking back and a red for the punch on the ground. |
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"How about the initial strike from flower on lance, whilst Lance had his back turned. WOuld that be provocation???
Lance was wrong to react to the initial strike to his head. I'm not going to argue that.
But like I say, it's a yellow for Flower for striking Lance, a yellow for Lance for striking back and a red for the punch on the ground.'"
I didn't see the initial contact with Hohaia as I said, so I can't really comment. You say 'strike'. Was it that or a push? If it was a 'strike' then yes, I'd say it was provocation. If it was a push then I'd say no. That's something that happens several times in every game. |
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To be fair, Wigan Sky corporation would only show it from a distance, but it was a swinging arm from behind, can't tell if it was the arm or the fist that caught Lance, but that is why he was ed and chase flower down.
2 yellows and a red for mine. But obviously the red superceeds the Yellow for flower and the KO from the game superceeds the yellow for Lance.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"To be fair, Wigan Sky corporation would only show it from a distance, but it was a swinging arm from behind, can't tell if it was the arm or the fist that caught Lance, but that is why he was vexed and chase flower down.
2 yellows and a red for mine. But obviously the red superceeds the Yellow for flower and the KO from the game superceeds the yellow for Lance.'"
Two reds for mine.
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But flower can't have 2 reds. Unless that makes maroon. But I'll leave you Wiganers to it to justify more Wane inspired thuggary.
2015 more cannon balls and high shots on order from Wane. He's already ordering them in on Ebay tonight.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"To be fair, Wigan Sky corporation would only show it from a distance, but it was a swinging arm from behind, can't tell if it was the arm or the fist that caught Lance, but that is why he was vexed and chase flower down.
2 yellows and a red for mine. But obviously the red superceeds the Yellow for flower and the KO from the game superceeds the yellow for Lance.'"
I'd have to see it mate but, from that description, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing you should go looking for someone to elbow them in the face for. Hard to say without actually seeing it though, of course. To be honest I think yellow for chasing someone down and elbowing them in the face could be seen as a little lenient but fair enough. I've no problem with the Flower red though. |
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"But flower can't have 2 reds. Unless that makes maroon. But I'll leave you Wiganers to it to justify more Wane inspired thuggary.
2015 more cannon balls and high shots on order from Wane. He's already ordering them in on Ebay tonight.'"
Ah right! Didn't take long did it? And you were doing so well too. Never mind. Goodnight. |
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If there was a tactic on show tonight it was deliberately winding players up. Flower fell for it and I am sure there will be plenty of people in St. Helens giving Hohia a pat on the back for taking one for the team. And no, that is not an excuse for Flower either.'"
Wow they did well to wind the Wigan team up in all 1 minute 50 seconds the game was on before Flower went after hohaia |
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Wow they did well to wind the Wigan team up in all 1 minute 50 seconds the game was on before Flower went after hohaia'"
I'd prefer to say Wigan (or specifically Flower) did badly to get wound up. I think there's little doubt that he DID get wound up though, so I'm not sure what the time on the clock had to do with it. Very unprofessional from Flower. |
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Quote ="DaveO"That is a pretty libellous comment so I'd be careful if I were you. The idea Wane sends his players out to to physically injure players with foul play is idiotic. '"
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I thought it was common knowledge that Wigan are the greatest evil in the universe since the Galactic Empire under the reign of Emperor Leneghan & Darth Wane. The Saints rebels may have destroyed our Death Star today, but rest assured that barring a miraculous transfer from Leeds, there will be no Ewoks to help them defeat us once and for all.
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The thing that annoys me with this is that from the age of 6 these were the exact sentiments expressed by every single coach I have ever played under. Phrases like "smash em", "rip them apart" and "break them" are not unusual and do people really think that in a top game anyone goes out in a rugby game with words of care ringing in their ears from the coach?
I can see the England dressing room or even the St Helens dressing room for the internationals/WCC where the coaches are extolling the virtues of not trying to physically dominate and hurt the other side. Good luck beating the Aussies.
Then there's the thug/coward phrases. To me these are used for intended malicious play, Flower is guilty of seeing red and stupidly lashing out twice after receiving treatment that could have easily broken his jaw. Not a pre-meditated attack or a sneaky dig with others around which for me fall into the thug and coward category. You would think, on these forums, that not a single one of us has lost their temper and done something stupid.
I have seen players gouge, stamp, flying kick and on one occasion smash somebody over the head with their boots having run on from the side line. It doesn't take a great deal of looking on the web to find examples of simple pre-meditated dirty play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW2Q63CQSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqvmGddkyw
I expect to see Flower get a long ban, Flower will have to live with the sending off which probably cost Wigan the game for the rest of his life. Is he a thug? No. A coward? No. If his stats are anything to go by, that's a yellow card this year before last nights red. Sine Die - don't be ridiculous!
www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/3237
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The thing that annoys me with this is that from the age of 6 these were the exact sentiments expressed by every single coach I have ever played under. Phrases like "smash em", "rip them apart" and "break them" are not unusual and do people really think that in a top game anyone goes out in a rugby game with words of care ringing in their ears from the coach?
I can see the England dressing room or even the St Helens dressing room for the internationals/WCC where the coaches are extolling the virtues of not trying to physically dominate and hurt the other side. Good luck beating the Aussies.
Then there's the thug/coward phrases. To me these are used for intended malicious play, Flower is guilty of seeing red and stupidly lashing out twice after receiving treatment that could have easily broken his jaw. Not a pre-meditated attack or a sneaky dig with others around which for me fall into the thug and coward category. You would think, on these forums, that not a single one of us has lost their temper and done something stupid.
I have seen players gouge, stamp, flying kick and on one occasion smash somebody over the head with their boots having run on from the side line. It doesn't take a great deal of looking on the web to find examples of simple pre-meditated dirty play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW2Q63CQSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqvmGddkyw
I expect to see Flower get a long ban, Flower will have to live with the sending off which probably cost Wigan the game for the rest of his life. Is he a thug? No. A coward? No. If his stats are anything to go by, that's a yellow card this year before last nights red. Sine Die - don't be ridiculous!
www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/3237
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Fed up of reading Hohaia did this and that. Wane wound them up. Wigan are a disgrace.
Fact is second punch Flower threw when Hohaia was unconcious on the ground was probably the worst incident I have seen in more than 50 years of watching professional Rugby League.
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| Quote ="Brian Briggs Ghost"Fed up of reading Hohaia did this and that. Wane wound them up. Wigan are a disgrace.
Fact is second punch Flower threw when Hohaia was unconcious on the ground was probably the worst incident I have seen in more than 50 years of watching professional Rugby League.'"
Nobody is disagreeing the second punch was horrendous, it was and he will get what's coming. All I've said and seen others say is Hohaia got what he deserved with the first shot. It's not Flowers fault that Hohaia has a glass jaw, guess it's St Helens glass? If he'd taken it and given one back they'd have both been in the bin.
The punch while he was on the floor was unforgivable, I don't ever want to see that again, not by any player let alone a Wigan player. Again nobody is trying to defend punching a guy on the floor, not at all, I condemn it as much as any other person. |
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If Hohaia was a 17 stone prop and not a halfback he would've broken Flower's jaw.'"
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| Quote ="jaws1"What sickens me about this thread is all the condemnation thrown at Flower which is rightly so and deserved sending off .Just look at all the smiling SAINTS fans in the picture taking delight in HoiHoi throwing his elbow into Flowers jaw.'"
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| Quote ="ChrisA"Nobody is disagreeing the second punch was horrendous, it was and he will get what's coming. All I've said and seen others say is Hohaia got what he deserved with the first shot.'"
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"The first shot was fair game. Man to man plus a coming together just before, I don't think anyone is too irate about that. It's just obviously the second one where flower has taken it to another level.'"
Definitely, he's lost Wigan the game, he could have potentially caused serious or permanent damage to Hohaia, it's been viewed all around the world by now and doesn't look good for Flower, Wigan and RL in general.
It's a shame as it taken the attention away from a great effort by saints with all their injuries, it's taken away from Wigan effort for 78 minutes with 12 men. The other guys who were on the field don't deserve to be labelled with flower as thugs, there weren't any other incidents in the game. |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"The first shot was fair game. '" so you are now an authority on thuggery? Please explain the rules..when does it turn from fair game to thuggery, who ACTUALLY got the ADVANTAGE from cheating? .. |
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"so you are now an authority on thuggery? Please explain the rules..when does it turn from fair game to thuggery, who ACTUALLY got the ADVANTAGE from cheating? ..'"
Really, you can't tell the difference between being stood up face to face, and someone being uncocncious on the floor?
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What Ben did was stupidity and cowardly and he deserves a long ban, but how did lance get away with a fore arm smash to Bens chin, super league should look at that incident as well. there were some cheap shots by saints at start of game which did not help.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Really, you can't tell the difference between being stood up face to face, and someone being uncocncious on the floor?
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how do you know they are watching that particular player? It was off the ball so they could have been following play. Looks like a desperate attempt to try to put a 'context' to Flowers sickening thuggery.
Nice sense of humour in defeat, good show.
