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| Quote ="terrykelly"No offence to Shaun Wane....but why release Goulding, but persevere with the eternal 'potential' of Anthony Gelling !'"
What about the eternal potnential of Darrell Goulding? I'm still waiting for him to put three seasons together without playing so poorly he gets dropped for the rest of the year (it's never yet happened, though he did once manage two)
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| Goulding did fulfill his potential IMO and proved his worth but that's probably the issue. Even at his very best he's still only decent rather then outstanding. It's a worry that I'd still class him as our best centre tbh because he probably shouldn't be. There are too many rough edges in the other 3 supposed centres games at the moment but on the up side they have plenty of improvement in them.
One lad who could really benefit from all this is Oliver Gildart. He's very young but there's an opening there and he's a classy player. I'd be looking to try and get him a game this year.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"What about the eternal potnential of Darrell Goulding? I'm still waiting for him to put three seasons together without playing so poorly he gets dropped for the rest of the year (it's never yet happened, though he did once manage two)'"
Gouldings leaving so sooner or later you won't be able to defend Gelling or any of the other centres by having a yet another unwarranted pop at Goulding.
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| The way Goulding plays as centre to Charnley works. It works very well too.
On his own merits DG doesn't appear that great but he is responsible for a large number of tries Charnley has scored these past seasons.
The situation does remind me of a Saints player, Ken Large, who was centre to Van Vollenhoven. TVV was one of the all time greats but Large was rated as ok but not superb. The thing was that they both played very well alongside each other and Large made many a try scoring opening for TVV.
It was a great partnership with one being the senior partner the other the junior.
I see it very much in the same way with Goulding and Charnley.
We could pay a heavy price for breaking up that partnership.
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| having Sam chiming into the line and HH dummy runs also helped Goulding ship the ball on to Charney and gave us great attacking down that side
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| Quote ="Grimmy"What about the eternal potnential of Darrell Goulding? I'm still waiting for him to put three seasons together without playing so poorly he gets dropped for the rest of the year (it's never yet happened, though he did once manage two)'"
He has been very good in 3 of the last 4 seasons ffs, 2010, 2012 and 2013. In 2011 he was certainly no worse than average and was injured for half of it anyway.
Lets look at the other seasons then. In his 1st season he played 1 game as a 17 year old, I dont know what you really expected of him that season, indeed a year later he was playing in an u18s Grand Final. Then there are 3 seasons when he was 18, 19 and 20 in a relegation threatened team with the likes of Tim Smith, David Vaeleki, Cameron Phelps and Karl Pryce. In this era he was playing under Millward and Noble when he was often made a scapegoat by the latter. He actually did very well in many games considering his age against some very good centres like Senior and Hape. Again I dont know what you expect from him as a teenager, Hampshire, Powell, Williams et al have all been flops so far if you are trying to make out Goulding was poor in his first 4 seasons
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| Quote ="DaveO"Gouldings leaving so sooner or later you won't be able to defend Gelling or any of the other centres by having a yet another unwarranted pop at Goulding.'"
Quality hat trick from Gells, he just keeps looking better and better the more game time he gets
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| Three tries Goulding would never be capable of scoring..Great move by the club to upgrade and have Gelling as first choice centre.
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| Time has move on and if Gelling continues the way he played tonight I can't see Goulding being selected in front of him.
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| He was excellent last night, just a couple of silly attempts at offloads in the first half blighted a near-perfect performance. On the other side, the sooner Thornley's back the better, I like Sarg but he's simply not a centre. I'm not really sure where he fits in to our squad best tbh, he offers good utility value but we've got Bowen, Hampshire and Tierney to play FB and Charnley, Burgess and Manfredi for the wing.
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| Sarg is the player under pressure from Goulding not Gelling who keeps getting better and better.
If he can drop the daft error out of his game he could go on to be our new Kevin Iro.
Sarg on the other hand has really dropped off in my opinion and is under pressure for his spot, especially when Thornely returns.
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| Quote ="jonh"Sarg is the player under pressure from Goulding not Gelling who keeps getting better and better.
If he can drop the daft error out of his game he could go on to be our new Kevin Iro.
Sarg on the other hand has really dropped off in my opinion and is under pressure for his spot, especially when Thornely returns.'"
My only issue with how SW has used Gelling is he keeps swapping which side he plays on depending who the other centre is. If Goulding came back in, he would likely go to RC with Gelling switching back over to the left. Is Sarg or Thornley play, Gelling plays on the right. If he's going to be a first choice centre (which IMO he now is) then he needs to be picked consistently on the same side and allow a partnership to develop with his winger. If Thornley can recapture his pre-injury form then our back line going on to the playoffs looks good.
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| Gelling gave Caton Brown a torrid time in the first half, so much so that Harris switched Sau to mark him in the second half. That didn't work out so well either
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| Sarginson has really lost for these past few weeks and must be under pressure come the HKR game. He's made a mixture of awful decisions and poor handling errors and looks jaded. I think he's an excellent player but to me he looks a fullback or winger and no more then emergency cover at centre.
If Sarginson is a centre he's surely a right sided one? He constantly steps away from his winger on the left and make the oppositions centre and wingers defensive job an easy one.
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| Sarginson always seems to want to put a side step on even if it isn't needed. If he ran straight he'd more often than not get through the gap, or at least he would make space for his winger. Half the time the poor winger hasn''t got a clue what he's going to do next.
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| Quote ="hatty"Sarginson always seems to want to put a side step on even if it isn't needed. If he ran straight he'd more often than not get through the gap, or at least he would make space for his winger. Half the time the poor winger hasn''t got a clue what he's going to do next.'"
95% of the time he steps right as well which takes him away from his winger on that left hand side and never puts any doubt in the opposition wingers mind. If he was over on the right side he would be stepping on the outside and would draw that winger in now and again creating space for his wingman. He's definitely on the wrong side if he is to become a centre but he's no chance of getting that right sided spot with Gelling playing so well.
His knock on in the first half last night highlighted how much he wants to step inside. He was halfway through his step as he caught the ball and it got to him quicker then expected I think. He needs to work hard on that side of his game because there is a lot of positives about him.
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| I know he hadn't been here long but I remember watching him at the Widnes away game in 2012 and sensing that he himself didn't feel part of the set up. He seemed to hang back a bit when the lads celebrated certain tries. It was like he was still an outsider when, obviously, staff and players alike would have made him feel as welcome as possible.
Well what a difference now. He certainly stuck at it and is now reaping the rewards. He's playing some great rugby, you can tell he's happy and for my money is our best centre. As has been said, he needs to continue the partnership with Josh on the right. Really chuffed for the lad.
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| The thing with Sarginson is I feel he is on the wrong side. He keeps stepping off his left foot away from the wing, and rarely gets the ball out to the winger.
I'm made up that Gelling is finally proving his worth. I've been a fan of his since we signed him and was hoping he'd be given a fair crack.
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| Always said Gelling had lots of potential. Great to see him starting to fulfil that potential. He's now an important player for us but I still think there is room for improvement. He has the oppotunity to become one of the top players in SL and let's hope he continues his development.
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| Top class again last night, my MOM by a long way. Don't know whats happened to him this season but he has turned into a brilliant player.
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| I also wonder about that obstruction, he probably should have passed but the Warrington player (who's name escapes me at the moment) was in the process of tacking the obstructing player around the legs etc. That's not the actions of an obstructed player, it's the actions of somebody making a tackle and a good bit of work to get the obstruction.
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| he was class last night, toook the ball out of defence hard, tackled hard and got Charnley away as well.
that try will have to go down as one of the best never given.
it was obstruction, but MM (I think) was in the process of tackiling our payer that Gelling ran round.
Kevin Iro said he was good, who honestly thought he would be wrong???
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| If Gelling keeps improving at this rate he could very well be the best centre in SL next year.
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