So the government can go round torturing anyone who disagrees with them with no proof required just so long as your car's alright. It doesn't matter what they are accused of, it's not right to beat, sleep deprive or water-torture people, especially people who haven't been convicted of a crime and can't even talk to a lawyer to defend themselves in court. Can't believe I'm actually trying to explain why I think people should have the right to a fair trial. It's probably the most important right we have.

Water torture doesn't happen here usually its a beating with a stick and then sleep deprivation if you wont tell them what they want to know.

yeah exactly the government just go round pick up nobodies to torture them. seriously do you know how ridiculous that is? the only reason for them to beat you is to find out your associates who 9 times out of 10 have committed the same crime, this doesn't happen for no reason its usually is a substantial crime. If somebody had supplied my kids with drugs and they overdosed or got addicted i would happily pay the low lives to be beaten. Also nobody is detained with out a judges ruling this person will be waiting for the supreme court date, he would have faced a judge with a lawyer they don't just make it up as they go.

Can't believe i am defending a judicial system of a country i have lived in for more than 4 year and really happy with to some one who probably hasn't spent more than a week here. Also i have the exact same Human rights as i would in the uk as innocent person not as a criminal. Guess what there isn't many repeat offenders either must be working.

...in the same way that there aren't any LGBT men or women in Russia or starvation & poverty doesn't exist in North Korea.

Read the amnesty report, he was forced to induce an unidentified liquid and hasn't been allowed to meet his lawyer. He hasn't been found guilty of anything and yet he is being tortured, obviously that's not ok! This shirt sponsor thread has taken a turn

I'll leave it there

any facts to prove repeat offenders in dubai?

And this is a word of a criminal!! on an extremely bias website that makes its living off cases such as this. I know how the legal system works in the UAE and what is being reported on this website is not correct at all and like i said it was the same as the women who went back to the uk crying wolf about being molested and treated unfairly in Dubai after being convicted of having sex on a beach and assaulting a police officer (she forgot to mention that when she was selling her story).

unless you are a danger to the state, part of organized crime or drug smuggler/dealer you wont get beaten because they don't need any information from you. wonder what the MOD would find if they could interrogate Anjim Choudary properly. All this protect criminals is none sense, this people violate rights of other human beings so why should they be entitled to the rights they deny others?

Still wanting for you to tell me the crime of this said person WHO WOULD OF FACED A JUDGE TO SET THE DATE FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

yeah it has taken a turn probably should leave it there people have different opinions obviously.

So is the main sponsor or is there other sponsors to be announced? Not quite sure why we just haven't got Magners as the main sponsor?

Or Jacamo even? Magners would have been good

Frankly I'm not bothered who the sponsor is as long as we have one.
At present Ive become rather a blind faith follower of Ian Lenagan.
We have won a trophy or trophies for each of the past four years.
In those four years of SL there are three trophies to be won each year so 12 to be won over the 4 years.
Wigan have won 6, Warrington 3, Leeds 2 and Huddersfield 1.
If the financial results for 2013 show a profit that will be four years of profit whilst winning more silverware than anyone else.
That's pretty much the Holy Grail in sport.
We have a top class academy and scholarship system who provide the next quality first team player every year.
The club is, all round, better run now than at anytime in the past that I can remember since starting to watch in the late 1950s (even the halcyon days) and things are looking very good.
I do agree with someone who said the club is in a good place right now.
The new sponsors might not be everyone's idea of a good name but as far as I'm concerned at present, if it's good enough for Ian Lenagan then it's good enough for me.
That probably puts me in the Happy Clapper catagory but at present I will quite happily applaud what Ian Lenegan has achieved at this club.

Cue Cruncher's lapdog in ankle biting mode.........

I took the trouble to look into the company who used to be known as Saf Housing Ltd. I now know what they do as a business, know that while they are incorporated in Wigan they are run out of a small managed office in Congleton. There are four members of senior staff including the original two directors. They only appointed a financial director on 27th Feb 2013 as they "prepared to deliver their fist set of fund"s (but there is no news confirming they have delivered any yet).

What they do or will do which is run something called a REIT (you can Google what one of those is) requires them by law to be stock exchange listed. Their web site says they are going to be listed on the LSE AIM index but if you search it there is no company listed under either their new or old trading name.

From all this delving they look to me a small company setting out to offer a REIT form of investment.

Big sponsors based on that? Highly unlikely IMO. Maybe the one director from Wigan, Ann Fairhurst, is a fan or something but they are a very strange choice of sponsor IMO. and I just can't see them offering up a large wadge of cash.

...interesting. I'm not adverse to local (aka small) companies or charities joining up, but there has to be a degree of quid pro quo & I'm not sure IL or HfH are being as open as they could be here (notwithstanding I don't expect IL's business dealings to be laid out bare for every decision surrounding the club).

However, the deal is with the HfH FOUNDATION, not the limited company. The Foundation has only been in existence since the 19th of November, they've not filed any accounts & don't appear to have any reported assets. The press release states . Personally, I'd like more detail. Still "glass half full", I just hope nobody's elbow knocks it over.

Great post.

Bingo!

I thought it was with the HfH foundation but that is just mentioned as their charitable arm on their web site with the contact being the Janet Fairhurst I mentioned. That being so I can't see a charity giving Wigan RL any cash.

I have no problem with the club associating itself with any organisation or company that is into stuff like social housing but having the main shirt sponsor as a charity? Can the club afford to be that generous?

It is also worth noting that REIT's are there to make money for the investors, make no mistake about that. It will be some time before the companies social credentials can be judged by their actions because as far as I can tell they haven't funded any builds yet. Any search for news on that draws a blank. If anyone can show me otherwise then great.

You are right in what you say in that as a club we have what defines a club as successful, trophies in the cabinet etc. What IL has to do is maintain that success and so if the club had won League, Cup and SL ever since he'd been here sponsors such as these should , IMO, still raise eyebrows. It's like selling various players. So far it hasn't cost us but 2014 is another season and you are only as good as your last game. Ours was pretty damn good but you have always got to look forward not back. That is IL's job more then anything and so there is no contradiction in applauding him for the achievements while at the same time questioning being sponsored by a charity.

IF Wigan are now at a point where we can afford to have a charity as a sponsor (and therefore recieve no income from it ala Barcelona with Unicef) then that is further proof of how well the club is being run and that should be applauded

How is this proof of being in that position? seriously. I completely get the point of setting a price of a product and not selling it for any less so you don't diminish the value of it but i find it hard to believe they couldn't find a good sponsor.

Agree entirely, but [point of order they aren't a charity. The Houses for Homes foundation is an offshoot of the HfH limited company that looks like it was specifically set up for this link-up with the club. As such I'm suspicious, but I'm willing to give them & IL the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
If this foundation is wound up at the end of the sponsor period then there will be plenty of stinking rats to be counted (they don't have to file accounts until next December so could get away with a lot of dodgy stuff).

The plot thickens.

There are reasons that "people" (though perhaps not if you are female or gay) live "fantastic" life styles in Dubai. Try to justify your life choice if you like but the "fantastic life styles" are lived at a cost to your fellow man. I said on this thread that I wouldn't wear a shirt with Emirates emblazoned on it and I stand by that. Any company that refuses to acknowledge workers basic rights is not one that I would identify with (I included the likes of Amazon in my argument). The idea that companies like Emirates are improving the lives of thousands of immigrants that would otherwise starve and using that fact to justify exploitation is frankly shameful.

As for Anjem Choudary. Well, basic human rights belong to all humans - even ones that we disagree with.

Is your soap box sponsored by Imperial Leather or Daz?

Neither - I don't seek sponsorship. If I did it would probably be an organisation that recognised a trade union.

What is it you object to by the way? Someone posting views on a forum or is it the views themselves. Either way - let's have your view - instead of posting smart quips.

I suggest you stop commenting on a country you know nothing about. Women are treated fantastically and they are always put before men. As far as Gay's in Dubai there is plenty here and the ones i know never complain of being discriminated against.
Also those workers you are talking about would be back home in their 3rd world countries starving and living on the streets, NHS, Housing, education and Benefits are not a giving outside the UK believe it or not. But i will agree the housing/ labour camps are disgraceful but ask a laborer would they rather be back in India they would say no (I have by the way).

UAE has come a long way in Labour worker rights compared the rest of the G.C.C. but if they wasn't payed less they wouldn't be employed as generally they have no education.

The UAE isn't the worst offender in the region by a long chalk, but there are consistent voices lending credence to the thought that their acquisition of City (for example) is nothing short of an attempt at laundering their image & taking attention away from myriad abuses ([urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations[/url).

Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, the US Government, the UN, even bodies with strong links to or operating in the UAE itself ([urlhttp://www.echr.org.uk/[/url, [urlhttp://gc4hr.org/news/index/country/2[/url) highlight umpteen abuses of process, torture, imprisonment, discrimination & mendacious prosecutions (the Norwegan woman prosecuted (and sent to jail) for [ibeing [/iraped is jaw-dropping in what it says about the whole attitude prevalent in the country).

To use the excuse that the Indian workers are only there because they need the money and the conditions they have to endure are better than they'd have at home is pathetic in the extreme. There is absolutely no rationale that allows one human to treat another as chattel and then demand that they're allowed to beat & work them 'til they drop.

(rant done)