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| I don't think it is a poor decision, trying to decide the best RL player in the world is never going to be easy. We would all agree that the NRL is the premier comp and the number of outstanding players they have in comparison to SL is plain to see. However as other posters have stated the leadership shown by Sinfield is the reason that the Rhinos have won so many SL crowns. As a role model to younger players its hard to point to anyone else. He may not possess the abilities of others but he has made more of the qualities that he does have.
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Sinfield is a class act all round.
He has PROVEN his quality consistently for a decade and off the field conducts himself superbly.
Little things like this article support that
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _Sinfield/
he is the 1st to arrive and is the last to leave staying behind to practice his goal kicking after everyone else has left. Choosing to do this rather than going home to his wife and kids an hour earlier each night
Its easy to discredit people while they are still around and playing because everyone makes mistakes, but when the whole story is written, he will be regarded as one of the best players/captains RL has ever seen
For the career he has had, not to win the golden boot would have been a travesty.
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Sinfield is a class act all round.
He has PROVEN his quality consistently for a decade and off the field conducts himself superbly.
Little things like this article support that
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _Sinfield/
he is the 1st to arrive and is the last to leave staying behind to practice his goal kicking after everyone else has left. Choosing to do this rather than going home to his wife and kids an hour earlier each night
Its easy to discredit people while they are still around and playing because everyone makes mistakes, but when the whole story is written, he will be regarded as one of the best players/captains RL has ever seen
For the career he has had, not to win the golden boot would have been a travesty.
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| Quote ="thaiad24"
He has PROVEN his quality consistently for a decade and off the field conducts himself superbly.
For the career he has had, not to win the golden boot would have been a travesty.'"
based on that criteria i would have thought jamie peacock would have been just as much (more imo) deserving?
As it is and bear in mind im a big fan of sinfield (and if iirc i stated on a post on the leeds board a few years back when a lot of leeds fans were giving him stick) and hes like farrell in that you wont realise how good he is till hes gone.
But best player in the world even trying to take goal kicking and captaincy into account.
No.
Does it bother me. no,if it winds the aussies up all good and well.
But please dont try and rewrite the criteria or justify it for him being a role model (which he is a superb one).
He just isnt the Best Player in the World IMHO (He "May Get into my Top 25"icon_wink.gif.
And as much as "Some" Wigan fans are going overboard to berate the decision (And other fans on other boards too) there is as much OTT by "Some" Leeds fans in trying to Justify it.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"based on that criteria i would have thought jamie peacock would have been just as much (more imo) deserving?
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but he is a prop forward - props get overlooked for golden boot imo
but you are right Peacock deserves to have won it also
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| if we'd have had sinfield in our side in the playoffs we wouldve won the gf.
he took us apart in the first 40 at our place.
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| Quote ="thaiad24"but he is a prop forward - props get overlooked for golden boot imo'"
Unless you are an aged Andy Farrell.
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| I would have the aged Farrell as captain ahead of Sinfield.
Sinfield is a great captain but Farrell could carry a side in a way that no one else in the modern era has. Just look at what happened when he left.
If you want an example of leadership, just watch him in the famous 2004 game v Leeds. Incredible display.
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| Quote ="Deano G"I would have the aged Farrell as captain ahead of Sinfield.
Sinfield is a great captain but Farrell could carry a side in a way that no one else in the modern era has. Just look at what happened when he left.
If you want an example of leadership, just watch him in the famous 2004 game v Leeds. Incredible display.'"
Farrell was a fantastic captain. Second only to Dean Bell imo.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Unless you are an aged Andy Farrell.'"
WELCOME BACK!!!!!! We missed ya....
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| I cant believe people have given this much thought to it, its the most pointless award going! Its decided by a few ex pro's (probably gary schofield and bobbie goulding) and the happy clappers at Rugby League World magazine. The magazine probably has a readership of 1000 people, and has no influence on the game what so ever
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| I think that Malcolm Andrews article in League Express gets it right.
The decision by League Publications to reduce the number of overseas judges who vote on the Golden Boot was wrong (no matter what the outcome would have been).
The decision to reduce the number of overseas judges was made because there were no key international games during 2012....expect that there was in the Southern hemisphere - a huge mistake when you consider how uncompetitive the England games where during 2012.
Traditionally and in keeping with the principles of the original award consultation and research should be carried out with many different international sources before making a final decision on the winner of the award.
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| Quote ="Deano G"I would have the aged Farrell as captain ahead of Sinfield.
Sinfield is a great captain but Farrell could carry a side in a way that no one else in the modern era has. Just look at what happened when he left.
If you want an example of leadership, just watch him in the famous 2004 game v Leeds. Incredible display.'"
An interesting one. Farrell was undoubtedly magnificent in his efforts as player & leader, as you suggest he held that team together as his personal playing ability deteriorated & Wigan's standing faded. Sinfield is never going to lead by sheer physical effort & screaming at his players from behind the sticks or at a stoppage, he is physically not up to it, nor mentally does he approach captaincy that way. Sinfield needs great players around him to lead around the park, he would be absolutely devastating if he was captain of the Aussies, which is the reason I think he has struggled to shine against the Aussies (along with 99% of British players). If Sinfield plays against the Aussies he has to be the captain & direct everything, he is the best I have ever seen at that, but he is not the best player in any individual position.
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| Quote ="tigertot"An interesting one. Farrell was undoubtedly magnificent in his efforts as player & leader, as you suggest he held that team together as his personal playing ability deteriorated & Wigan's standing faded. Sinfield is never going to lead by sheer physical effort & screaming at his players from behind the sticks or at a stoppage, he is physically not up to it, nor mentally does he approach captaincy that way. Sinfield needs great players around him to lead around the park, he would be absolutely devastating if he was captain of the Aussies, which is the reason I think he has struggled to shine against the Aussies (along with 99% of British players). If Sinfield plays against the Aussies he has to be the captain & direct everything, he is the best I have ever seen at that, but he is not the best player in any individual position.'"
Agreed.
I think Sinfield winning the Golden Boot was based purely upon his exploits as captain at Leeds and with England during 2012. I was surprised he won it, as I thought there were more deserving players, but I am however happy he won it.
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| Quote ="tigertot"An interesting one. Farrell was undoubtedly magnificent in his efforts as player & leader, as you suggest he held that team together as his personal playing ability deteriorated & Wigan's standing faded. Sinfield is never going to lead by sheer physical effort & screaming at his players from behind the sticks or at a stoppage, he is physically not up to it, nor mentally does he approach captaincy that way. Sinfield needs great players around him to lead around the park, he would be absolutely devastating if he was captain of the Aussies, which is the reason I think he has struggled to shine against the Aussies (along with 99% of British players). If Sinfield plays against the Aussies he has to be the captain & direct everything, he is the best I have ever seen at that, but he is not the best player in any individual position.'"
TBF, I think anybody who understands RL would be a good captain of Australia and even some who don't. When you have players like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Gallen and even Boyd you don't really need to do too much skippering as they can win a game all on their own. Yes every now and again you'll fail but 9/10 you'll come through easy enough. I mean, they've only lost 3 competitions since 1972. How much leading do they need?!
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| Quote ="Conroy"TBF, I think anybody who understands RL would be a good captain of Australia and even some who don't. When you have players like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Gallen and even Boyd you don't really need to do too much skippering as they can win a game all on their own. Yes every now and again you'll fail but 9/10 you'll come through easy enough. I mean, they've only lost 3 competitions since 1972. How much leading do they need?!'"
Fair point. I suppose a better test would be to stick Sinfield in a top NRL team, where there is plenty of equal opposition, & see how he fared.
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| Quote ="Conroy"TBF, I think anybody who understands RL would be a good captain of Australia and even some who don't. When you have players like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Gallen and even Boyd you don't really need to do too much skippering as they can win a game all on their own. Yes every now and again you'll fail but 9/10 you'll come through easy enough. I mean, they've only lost 3 competitions since 1972. How much leading do they need?!'"
Agreed most of the time it would be, just sit back and enjoy the ride!
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| What I've found most interesting in this whole episode is Sadler has reminded me why I stopped buying his publications long ago, by refusing to post any details of the voting panel, nevermind who voted for whom - [urlhttp://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/235905-and-the-winner-of-the-golden-boot-is/page__st__300#entry2614975[/url
My personal favourite as to the reason for this was......
Quote In the recent past some members of the panel who have cast votes have been subject to vitriolic criticism through social media for the way they voted. With the growth of Twitter and other media I can only imagine that the trend would continue.'"
You'd imagine if any sport would be able to "man-up" in terms of defending their opinion it would be those involved in RL.
It's a good job that unknown sport, football, doesn't have a high profile, especially on social media as it decided to publish how every national manager, national captain and journalist voted to determine their world player of the year - [urlhttp://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond'or/playeroftheyear(men)/01/98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf[/url
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