let alone burst through a defensive line.

awful performance yet again......no creativity, no forwards, and who is George Williams, was he playing tonight, Smith kicking game is non existent.
Bowen must have lead in his boots!
time for change at Wigan, Wane has taken them as far as he can. It needs new direction on and off the field. Wane's comments to the press each week are embarrassing and do the team talk for the opposition.

score line tonight does not reflect the massive amount of possession and territory Leeds had. they were frankly poor as well.
Be lucky to make the super 8's without a severe turn around. Cant see where the next win is coming from.

Embarassing again after the half time talk we have come back and scored nothing

I wouldn't say "Wane out" but this is no doubt his most testing time in his Wigan coaching career so far.

Extremely poor pre-season, whatever they do in Florida clearly doesn't work (we're notoriously slow starters every season) so bin it off.

A very easy team to beat from what I've seen, only a team having a shocker would struggle.

Thought Williams was one of the few standout players tonight. His kicking game is better than Smith's, he got some great territory in the first half, plus put in that great kick for the try on the cusp of half time.

Manfredi was another. Not perfect but at least he has better positional sense than Charnley and defensively he took on Hall with confidence. In attack he was hungry and his kick returns were promising.

Bowen is stealing a living. He'd rather give a hospital pass than take a tackle. If he's forced to take it in he goes for a voluntary tackle, but even that goes wrong.

Budgie has some great raw talent but raw is the operative word. He is lacking maturity which, when he gains it, will make him a try scoring machine. At present though he is a one man knock-on-a-thon. So many missed chances.

As a whole though we are lacking discipline and leadership. Not just the penalties, we had moments where we looked utterly clueless, literally looking confused as the ball landed in hand and panicking to get rid. Embarrassing. The penalties are what killed us though.

Wane is definitely a man under pressure now, injuries haven't helped him and the least said about IL and recruitment or lack of it the better. We have regressed from MM's tenure at the club,they need to baton down the hatches now and work hard to get out of this situation, otherwise a change of coach and ideology is required. It's no coincidence MM is having great success at Souths now post Wigan achievement whilst we are struggling under Wane.

If it's a testing time then Wane is flunking it.

Time to look to the NRL again and bring in an assistant who is ready to make the step up.

One thing that is worrying is that the last two SW half time 'team-talks' have seen us go on to score ONE measley point.

thought he was vwery poor in attack

On average we are scoring just above 5 points in 2nd halves this season.

Abysmal.

I think it's slightly unfair to be critical of Williams. He looks exactly what he is at the moment which is a young, inexperience half with potential, I thought he did some good things but also made some poor decisions, and got caught with the ball too often, however the fact that Bowen never seems seems to make himself available as an option round the back makes it easier for the defense to pick Williams up.
Most worryingly for Wigan IMO is the performances of the more experienced players. Smith, Farrell, and Tomkins were shocking tonight, and MM was also poor, I thought Wigan looked a lot better with Logan Tomkins at hooker and Tautai was one of only a couple of forwards whom caused problems.

Bowen could leave tomorrow for me.

That's one lazy effortless player we have on our books.

I don't know what they did in Florida but the pre-season games were a shambles. No rhyme nor reason to the selections. Smith and Williams should have played every game together and for 80 minutes and that last game v Workington was useless

Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way.

The only time players seem to go back to Aus is when they are playing well

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/31927934 Quote "I'm very angry, very frustrated and disappointed. "The best team won - they out-muscled us and controlled the ruck - but we gave too many penalties away. "It's a tough place to come when you get a fair share of the ball but even tougher when you give away 11 penalties and not get the ball from two restarts. "We looked a real threat when we controlled the ball. The boys know what they are doing wrong, we've just not got the composure to fix it on the field." '"

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/31927934 Quote "I'm very angry, very frustrated and disappointed. "The best team won - they out-muscled us and controlled the ruck - but we gave too many penalties away. "It's a tough place to come when you get a fair share of the ball but even tougher when you give away 11 penalties and not get the ball from two restarts. "We looked a real threat when we controlled the ball. The boys know what they are doing wrong, we've just not got the composure to fix it on the field." '"

drop them then

from the hand full of pie games ive watched i thought williams has been pretty good. its matty smith thats went missing for tonight, imo.

EGW has it spot-on. Like most Wigan fans, I expect, I was pretty happy to see us go in at half-time only two points down, and thought, OK, SW can have a word and sort them out for the second half. And then...

I agree that George Williams wasn't too bad. He supplied the once piece of great skill in the whole game to spark that try, and I don't see what more we should ask of him when he's surrounded by struggling team-mates.

And yeah, what everyone said about Bowen. I watched his last couple of seasons for the Cowboys, and whilst clearly past his best, he still looked a class act against, frankly, much better opposition than he's facing in the SL, including Leeds. Just not worth his wages.

When is SW going to realise that this team is struggling? They haven't played one good game yet all season including the friendlies. He trots out the same excuses every week.






The forwards are getting butchered every week, penalties galore, basic errors, dropped balls etc etc. I don't blame the halves because they are playing behind a beaten pack every week. Even the games won at home have been less than convincing and could easily have been defeats.
At the moment this is looking like the worst Wigan team in a decade. It will be interesting to see if SW can turn this round.

A few weeks ago I read in a couple of newspapers that Bowen had said that he could be interested in doing a 3rd season at Wigan, I am wondering if that suggestion has been turned down by the club. If that is the case it seems that Bowen has made is mind up that he will just go through the motions for the rest of the season and let his contract run down.

Don't worry you have us next and were excellent at kickstarting somebody else's season! Saying that, I'm a bit more enthusiastic about going to DW this year then a few years ago when you had Tomkins, Leuluai and Richards.

Our props stats aside from Tautai were embarrassing!

Mossop, Clubb and Patrick made a combined total of 12 carries! That's just not good enough and as a collective they should look long and hard at themselves.

Sarginson on the other hand made 20 carries. Get the guy near their line with the ball and he's probably too tired from all the donkey work to come up with anything resembling a top piece of centre play.

I said that to my father, our forwards are soft. NEarly every set we had backs doing the hard work.

That's something Maguire brought in. Souths do it now, on our exit sets the first 3 tackles are taken in by the outside backs. The problem we seem to have at the moment is they do it regardless of where we are on the pitch. Because we have small, athletic forwards we cant graft our way out of our own half and until the weather picks up, the athleticism of the forwards is being nullified especially on our own pitch with is nothing short of a disgrace

Did Patrick even play?