It has to happen if Wigan are to move to the next level. Tommy has a lot of heart but he needs to be at 9 or not there at all.

If Wigan had a top class 7 then they would have cashed in on all that pressure tonight. End of. Tomkins would be devastating with a top class organiser.

Good luck for next season!

Get who you want in, the new coach needs to fix that flat line with zero options in order to actually give any half back we play a fighting chance at doing his job.

We were way too predictable and to be honest weve been playing that way for a while. Tomkins 4-5 times tried the step back on the right side only to get hammered each time. If he had 2-3 people moving and creating space hed have got through on some occasions. Instead the centre and winger kept the same line therefore easy 1 on 1 defence situation.

Whoeever takes over has not got that tough a job to turn us into a top side. Just need a decent attack and a much better start to the season.

Absolutely agree with the flat line - our players are stood still when they get the ball. Watched the link on the BBC website the other day which showed the Gill try from the '85 Cup Final & all the space in that try was opened up by the depth & speed of the running. Well, that and Brett Kenny's pass.

Yes we did a few forward passes tonight.

yeah or get a 6 who isnt as greedy

I think we need to win the forward battle more often first!

Sort the front row out.

1. Reignite Fielden's spark.
2. Turn Feka back into the premier wreaking ball we know he can be.
3. Teach Prekkie how to carry a rugby ball into a collision
4. Stop Coley from having brain explosions.
5. Get us an enforcer!!!

If Long was playing 7 for Wigan tonight we go to Old Trafford next week.

It's like Groundhog day every time we are in a tight defensive game - we've nobody who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and dictate it. It's too soon for Sam by a couple of years so Leuluai needs to be the one who does it, but time and again he proves he just isn't up to it.

Correct.

Should have put £4k in those brown paper bags instead of £2k then

Lulu to 9, Piggy on the bench and McIlorum released, that'll do fer me

McIllorum is an aggresive tackler, don't get rid play him second row.

No way , release ridell he is e, MAC is a far better player

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The same McIlorum who was declared a future GB hooker by everyone on here after his first appearance?

Everyone declared that?

Yes, IL isn't going to release Piggy as he is on a nice whack and will cost too much, i'd rather keep Tommy at 7 myself but after all the majority are saying Tommy to 9 so IMo it will b MM who will go if this happens

Isn't MM in the first year of a 3 year deal?
Tommy played better at 9 tonight than 7, or better when Piggy was off.
Piggy was awful in his first stint and not much better later on.
Yes we need a half back but why when we've needed one for 2 years does anyone think IL will buy one now when we are getting a new coach?
It will be intersting to see if IL does go and buy the players we've needed for so long now we have a new coach on Wednesday.

People might rip me for this but here goes.

I think the edge we missed was just that extra wide pass and little bit of organisation in the attacking line, the man for the job would of been Tim Smith. Had he been playing we could of scored a few in the last few mins.

We'd have been ripped apart in defence though tonight i think with him in the team. These tough, bruising encounters are not when Tim Smith shines, he's fantastic when your team is on top, whereas tonight was an arm-wrestle of a match which i think he'd have struggled as much as anyone to make an impact.

Although I agree with you Smith could bring that little bi extra to the party, he was also a liability in defence. No ripping, good point, I sometimes feel that up close to the line we rely on individual magic rather than organised passing moves. The one incident was on the 5th it was left to Fielden to put the kick in (wasn't a bad kick), but he aint no Andy Farrell its should have been a set play. That what we still lack a cool head and a proper game organiser. That was what Smith was. (Just crap in defence though).

If we are going to point the finger at the halves think Golden Boy Tomkins came up with some poor plays tonight.

Wonder if TL came from Wigan he would get the same stick.

For 60 minutes he was the most effective half for Wigan.

I am happy with him at 7, long may it continue in my opinion.

Tomkins gets let off because he is a Wigan lad and he is still not very experienced. I don't want to give any stick to our best prospect for a very long time so long may it continue. Leuluai is meant to be the finished article but Tomkins is not expected to be.

Thought Leuluai had a great game, he always does against Saints.