After the game on Saturday i was leaving the ground back to my hotel and i waas thinking about the game, usually i would be pee'd off or angry towards Wigans performance. But i wasnt, i simply wasnt bothered that we had lost to the worst team to grace Superleague since Leigh the other year.

Maybe its the way the players just dont looked bothered either, maybe its starting to rub off on the fans who pay there hard earned each week and turn up with the hope that they may turn it around.

But im typing this post now, and i seriously would not be overally concerned if i didnt get to watch Wigan again this season. Simply bored of watching them with the lack lustre attitude.

Is anyone else feeling this way....?

Yes. Couldn't care less about them now. Sick of this win 2, lose 3 season. 7 wins is Salfordesque. Noble has to be told TODAY that his contract will not be renewed. IL has to find a new coach NOW for next season and get in players that he wants.

Yes.

This point was raised earlier in the season. I'm getting to a point were I'm going to the game out of habit rather than enjoyment. It's getting me out of the house for a few hours. I did get my hopes up after a good win against Saints and a good 20mins against Salford but a result like the one on Saturday just leaves me feeling empty* again.

I debated last year about getting a season ticket again for this year and after going to the fans forum my interest was reignited, but I'll seriously consider getting a nice pair of shoes for my birthday rather than a season ticket for next year if things don't change. I don't think I'll be on my own either.

*Maybe an over exaggeration. I have got far more important things in my life than a rugby game.

Sitting in work this morning, I had much the same thought.

While I have tickets for the KR game, not sure if can be bothered going, why should I waste my time and money watching players who do not care about the club I love.

I never felt like this before, even in 2006 or going back to the 79/80 season.

Something has to change, and soon.

Should Noble not be told that his contract ends NOW providing we can get someone, or a team of coaches, to take over for the remainder of the season?

Noble will know full well his contract isn't getting renewed.

And so will the players.

So basically Noble has no chance of commanding respect or being able to motivate the players.

The next two home games are Quins and Cats - I can see four-figure gates for both games.

Known my friend for 20 years

Yesterday was the first time i have ever heard him say hes not going to the next game because he cant be ar$ed.

That worried me more than any defeat because i know theres not just him out there who feels the same

IL needs to act very fast

A valid point, if Noble knows he is going, the players will know and this is imo what is clear in their performances.

IL either has to act now and get someone in NOW with the semi final over 6 weeks away, or wait until after that, but by then it will be to late.

That being said, our squad is overhyped massively by some on here and isn't good enough in key positions to win anything.

Lenagan should be very worried right now - I agree with the original sentiments and I know plenty of others who feel the same.

Absolutely he needs to act now.

I would agree but finding someone to step in is the problem. If it is achieveable, fine, but the very least we deserve is a communique from the club today informing us that the search for a new coach is underway or, better still, name his successor now. After all, that's the way the real professional clubs like Saints do it.

Yep i am, I used to go to every single match home and away and look forward to it from the beginning of the week no matter if we were playing PNG or St Helens, this year i've been to all home matches, a few away and cant say i have enjoyed any of them TBH.

Used to be amazing watching the likes of Farrell, Rads, Connolly, Dallas, Lam O'Connor, Smith, Cowie, Cassidy, Betts, Paul, Carney, Renouf, week in week out, every player from 1-17 had so much passion and cared so much about winning...these days it just seems to be Hock Lockers and Sam and Ainscough when they get a game.

It used to be devestating losing to teams like Salford or Wakefield every now and then but you just knew the week after the team who we played were in for a beating but now its more like..can we scrape a win against Harlequins at home in a month for the next win



Wigan RL has lost its 'erection' so to say. For me a team is built on passionate players who want to play for the club and no what it means, with a few class internationals thrown in the mix to spice it up... we have some of the passionate players in Lockers, Hock, Tomkins, Ainscough who reflect what Farrell, Rads, Newton, Betts etc brought to the team but can we compare Riddell, Roberts, Phelps, Smith, Bailey to Lam, Renouf, Dallas, Paul, Smith etc? Or Coley and Fielden to O'Connor and Cowie?

He also seriously needs to watch his pricing for next season, another rise given the tripe he has made us watch, due in part to his poor recruitment will see season ticket renewals drop right off imo.

get yourself an xbox!

I get the impression Noble will be in charge till the end of the season. Otherwise IL will have to pay up his contract and pay for the new coaches wages.

But to be honest it'll be worth it. The fans are the most important aspect of any team, and they are now beginning to really suffer. Watching a lack luster Wigan side lose to Celtic without any repercussion is disheartening for any Wigan fan.

IL needs to step up and make the hardest decision so far in his time at Wigan, sack Nobby, put Shaun Wane in charge till the end of the season.

Look for new head or give Wane the job if the shoe fits.

I personally want Noble to go now, he has done a heck of alot for the club, not least save us from relegation and improve so many areas of the club, I would hate this to be dragged out and end in a poor way.

Thanks for everything Brian but its time to move on.

Hull or Catalan might well be available soon.

Would Wane do the job on a part time basis? Would we be better off with a part time Wane or a full time Nob?

Would Wigan be willing to accept a part time Wane with a full time assistant.

Could the job be done with Vievers/Pendlebury etc taking most training sessions with Wane getting there when he can and being there on match days?

I don't know if it would work.

No, if Noble goes, Forshaw & Vievers need to go as well. Pendlebury can then be left to his other job at the club.

Neither do I, but I'd feel better that something was at least being tried. Unfortunately IMO IL doesn't have what it takes to rock the (sinking?) boat before the semi.

Wane would take the role if IL told him if he impresses the jobs hes full time

Stupid though.

All teams improve when a new coach takes over, what happens in 12 months time, if we are still in the same position?

I was at this stage after a loss at home earlier in the year, apathetic now about a major part of my life. Thanks Brian, I'd love to know what more he has to do to get the boot.

It's very difficult to keep the enthusiasm going when it's not being reciprocated on the pitch.

We've now had three years of Brian Noble, and a harsh truth is that many aspects of the Wigan team we knew and loved have deteriorated under his stewardship.

We've heard a lot about the traditional 'Wigan culture' being absent these days. To me this is a key issue. When Millward was sacked, it was plain the culture was still there, because the team and the fans embarked on a phenomenal winning run, which enthused the whole town, and saved the club's skin; there was more excitement at Wigan at the end of that season than there was at the top of the table. True, Noble was part of that, but he'd only just arrived. Since then, we've seen an alarming decline in playing standards until we've reached the point where Wigan can't even seem to do the basics correctly. We've also seen a very worrying change in team attitude. The fans boo them for being diabolically bad, and they sulk. The chairman tells them off for being diabolically bad, and they run their mouths off to the press. The coach tells them off for being diabolically bad, and - some of them at least - walk out of training in a huff. This is NOT the Wigan attitude, and it only seems to have come in during Brian Noble's reign.

It's plain to me that team matters at Wigan are in urgent need of root and branch reform. We need an entire tactical overhaul, new levels of fitness and conditioning, and a new era of iron-hard discipline. If the current players won't adopt the 'Wigan attitude' willingly, it needs to be brutalised into them on the training pitch.

Whatever positives there are about Brian Noble - and there are some, I'm not denying that - he's plainly not the man for this job. I'm not trying to be clever after the fact here, but I worried about this last year, when it took a bollocking from the chairman to make the team get its act together rather than a bollocking from the coach. This year there's been further evidence. Nobby seems to have spent more time whingeing in the press about not getting a new contract than he has trying to earn one.

It's simply not good enough. I really wanted things to work out with Brian Noble. I've met him and like him as a guy. He had a great track record at Bradford, he seemed to have the correct attitude when he first arrived here (though anyone's attitude would have seemed good after Millward's), but he's clearly a poor motivator, a poor disciplinarian, he's no tactician and he lacks technical expertise.

Wigan have been more than patient with him, in my opinion.

But to get back to the point of this thread, the club can't really move on this until the CC is sorted out one way or the other. I think we've got past the stage where even winning at Wembley would save Noble now (his comments in the press alone would be enough for some chairmen to sack him), but if we get rid before the semi it might cause so much disruption that we'd be handing it to Warrington on a plate. I'd suggest that the club hang onto him at least until then, and that we supporters keep attending, keep cheering, keep doing everything we can - though it's precious little when it's so poorly responded to by the players - in short that we don't give up the way fans at other clubs not too far from here are famous for doing. We're probably still not as far from success as we may think.

I refuse to believe that Noble and his ineffective regime will be here beyond this season. Only a Grand Final victory could make that happen now, and to be honest, I doubt we'll even make the play-offs, so there's no chance of that.

It is't too far off. We've just got to keep our nerve.

I'm giving my opinion of what Wanes demands would be if he took a caretaker role till the end of the season

If were still in the same position in 12 months time we look again. To be honest mate i would take a few months a having a team looking like they actually care than what were watching right now.

If Noble is there next year I will not be renewing my season tickets mine and two grandchildren the future Wigan Suporters.
How low can we get.