Somebody at the game last night said it was Wigan's longest run without a league win for 100 years or something. 8 Super League games without a win now.

Does anyone have the exact stat on this as surely there must have been a worse run in 1979-80 relegation season wasn't there ?

It's been one of the worst seasons for injuries I can remember. Without that we'd still be comfortably in the top 4. As far as I'm concerned we've coped with it better than most teams would. Sometimes just plain old bad luck means you don't have the season you want, but with the possibility of a CC trophy still on the cards I think we need to look on the bright side.

This is a very short sighted opinion IMO. At the start of the season we played fast, open and slick rugby league. We blew Salford away and had the game won by half time and took players off (rightly) with an eye on the WCC. We were awesome against Cronulla and the Widnes game was always going to be tough on tired bodies after such a big game.
The season started to go down hill when so many players got hurt and that's just tough luck. I don't believe for a second that our training methods are to blame as most of our injuries have been collision injuries.

The players you refer to, Leuluai was superb at the start when he had experienced 3/4s and second rows running great lines. He guided us around the park very well and that allowed Williams to wreak havoc. He broke his jaw and came back after 4 weeks with no experience outside him. Navarette is a very big, young prop who looks great going forward. Yes he needs to work on his defence and fitness but he's a project player, just like Gelling was. I'm not as critical of FPN as others. When he's on his game, he's really good but I agree we need more out of him. As for Clubb, I'm not sure how u can be critical of him? The lad had vertebrae removed from his neck following a crusher tackle and has now had a kidney removed due to an unrelated illness! He's one of the best props in the league when he's fit and he's back next week. I think you need to reserve judgement for a few more weeks and see how he performs when he's match fit!

Our position isn't great but I agree with SW, there are legitimate reasons for it. Tomkins and Bateman will be match fit in a few weeks, if Burgess is carrying a knock it isn't serious enough to keep him out and I'm just glad he's playing for us and not against us!

I'm not sure much needs to change going into next season. We are champions and world champions, still in the CC and top 4 is still mathematically possible (although unlikely).
A bit more luck with injuries and we'd have got to the GF in a canter.

@bigredwarrior..

Not qouting our conversation as itll get too big..

Right first things first in what way was i being critical of Clubb? looking at my post i perhaps should have seperated him from the other two i mentioned,yes i should have,so appolgies for that,but how much can he do though he's 30 now and has to start looking long term and keeping himself healthy i fear if he does something irreversable thats all,the man is solid as a rock and has been missed.

I stand by my comments about Naverette and FPN though,big frank in particular has disappionted time and again.

I feel you're being at best disingenius about Salford,true on that freezing cold afternoon Wigan had a great first half but then they simply crumbled as Salford found their footing,a footing thathas led them to second place,its unfair and simply untrue to say they came back that afternoon because Wigan rested players.

Tommy had=s forme,and again i respect your opinion utterly average,quite who hes aiming the high kicks at im not sure yet time and again match after match he hoists them up,its the same week after week,but i always thought he was a better hooker than half but thats just me.

I dont know what caused the injuries and we will never know,training,black cats,and frankly its a subject done to death,the only thing for me you dont,under any circumstances sign injured players as the club did last season with Sam,look at him now he looks very nearly fully fit *whisper it*whareas last season he simply wasnt,so maybe some good has come out of the wire game last season.

I dont think Wane should go,but i do think some change is needed and stand by what i say in my first post,but i just wanted to claraify my comment on Clubby and well you get to thinking about other stuff.

As I mentioned there are some tweaks that are needed and you've nailed some right there but when people are sitting there and saying 'things need to change', I don't think they mean some as simple as changing a couple of players. I think they think there's more deep rooted problems but imo there's no major problems other then that we've not been able get our best side or anything approaching that on the field in enough games. Us having a better side over the past two weeks (although still missing 5 starting players on Friday) was never going to be a magic fix. Lads aren't match fit, others still look like they're carrying knocks and they still need to gel as a team. They will get there though because they're too good not to.

Am i happy with how the past couple of months have gone? Clearly not. Do I appreciate the reasons behind it? Without a doubt. Do I think there needs to be wholesale changes? Not at all. Do I think we could tweak the squad? Without question. We have three players who are really starting hookers (Powell, McIlorum and Leuluai) and we need a scrum half but other then that there's nothing major needs changing.

I totally agree that Salford upped their game but it was like our game v Hull FC a few weeks ago. We came back and the score looked respectable but we were never gonna win it and neither were Salford. The beauty of a forum is differing opinions and perspectives and I have no issues with any of what you said.

Last season I was one of the most critical Wigan fans you could meet but I have learned my lesson. We are nowhere near to where we need to be but there are reasons for it. Now that we have more of a senior squad to pick from I expect a big improvement and if it doesn't come, then I'll be critical again. We need to keep the ball and stop giving penalties away. If we do that, we'll not lose many games!