Some very interesting thoughts on this thread. Having grown up myself on watching Wigan clean up in the 80's & 90's whilst shaking with exitement at the thought of Saints even getting to a cup final, and then watching us lose countless, The current situation still feels a little bizarre. Yes, of couse the likes of the 75-0 made up for some previous drubbings, but if RL is to prosper then you need a good Wigan side and at the moment from 1-17, You just don't cut the mustard.

I'm genuinely not having a go when I say I would honestly not want Saints paying out for one Wigan player in the starting 13 at the mo, with the possible exception of Hock - and having watched on enviously for years previously at the superstars in the cherry and White - I have to question the players brought into the club against the impact the likes of Lyon, Gidley, Webb etc have had on Super league in recent years. I understand the lack of confidence in Noble and certainly its justified, but when I look at the team he's putting out on the paddock I don't think its strikes fear into any team in Super League and that's a problem that's built up over many an off season.

Having bled so many youngsters and local lads in your side, I'm surprised that the effort in wearing the shirt appears to be lacking, which again suggests that when push comes to shove they just aren't quite good enough.

Rugby League needs a good Wigan side, a strong Bradford outfit, Wire attempting to challenge, Hull continuing to track the top two.

In a couple of weeks time you may well prove me wrong and, like a few seasons back, beat Saints all ends up with an underacheiving side. But if Saints win by 50, yes I'll bask in the glory for a minute or two but then think - what was the point of that game? It should be the biggest, greatest, hardest fought match in sport for goodness sake.

It may sound daft from a Saints speccy but I honestly hope Nobby gets shut of the underachievers (that are clearly picking up enough wedge to push the salary cap) and replaces them with shrewd buys that will bring you back to being a top four side. I want Saints to win all, of course, but there was nothing like the pre-match tension of a trip to Central Park/early JJB match and I'd like a little bit of that back please!

So what was Pete Riding brought to the club for, and then Damien McGragh, and then Karl Harrison? These people were brought to the club as the Giants realised they has to stop rellying on other clubs and had to get to work on developing there own players for a change.


Lets continue this via pm as it has nothing to do with the Wigan thread, but i can assure you i am far from ignorant of Huddersfield Giants.

Your assurances count for nothing given the ill informed statements.

Riding was appointed as PPM when Cooper became ft conditioner. The RFL insist that all clubs have a PPM - so that would explain that appointmet



RFL insist that all SL clubs have a head of Youth Development. Take a look around and see them getting appointed

So the Giants have got one - a very good one. These YD guys wil make changes in personnel. If they have good contacts they will bring in good people like KH.

No this need not be a giants thing. Your knowledge is limited on that subject. Stick to Wigan and wakey.

I pointed out that homegrown definitions are nothing to do with quota and then said I found your need to name a slag off players was cheap. Exchanging pms with you would bore me.

The appointment af all these people that I named coincided with the change in the rules as i said it was born out of necesity and shows that the Giants were not concerned or interested in investing significantly in youth prior to the rules forcing them to do so, so thanks for highlighting that.

Il end on this one then, if there is no link between the federation trained rule and the overseas players influence on the game, regardless of what Richard Lewis has stated in the article which you simply dismiss, why is there a direct correlation between rules implimenting a reduction in the overseas players and increasing the home grown players, another coincidence.

If ya wanna roll back a few pages you'll find that it's a Wigoon fan who started all this off by saying Wigoon have a right to be in the top 4, as they are a big club and teams like Huddersfield, Wakey and Cas do not deserve to win at the JJB.

They then went on to slag off Brown, Robinson and Hodgson, sorry but not happy just to let that lie!!!

WHY?