Fellow Broncos,

As a Newbie to this site, but as a recent convert to the game of RL and particularily the Broncos I would like to ask;

1. Why are the club pricing out potential supporters? Surely £43 for 2 adults and a 15 year old to watch a one sided contest is hardly the way forward. This was to stand in the north stand that was open, then closed, then open again ?

2. Having been to all three home games and encouraged by the enthusiasm of the team, I left on Saturday asking myself, "why did I bother?" I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this?

3. Why did the club leave the Stoop that was in the heart of Union land south of the Thames , and move to a ground in the heart of Union land north of the Thames ?

4. Do the club honestly think fans will turn up in their thousands to watch a one sided affair, week in week out ?

5. It worries me that Leeds could put a cricket score past London, as well as Castleford, both live on Sky, and drive away more to the point the Catalan game might as well be played on one of the many training pitches at the Hive.



It saddens me to post this, but I have to get it off my chest. I know the recent history as to how the club ended up in this mess, and it is a mess.......if it was a football club the manager would have been sacked as these are his players whom he identified, as the owner would be terrified to lose the Sky funding.

Thank you for reading and as a convert from football the product of RL is magnificent, played by real athletes, I have total admiration for each Bronco player and I wish them every success as one can't fault the effort, but it takes more than effort?

I blame Gus.

Only the 3 Stooges know the answers to your questions.

The facts would suggest that in order to attract a respectable crowd in London you need a competitive team, however, where you play is somewhat irrelevant.

As long as it's on a tube

Hughes and by association MacKay are both culpable for the demise of the club.

Hughes, because he refuses to take guidance from anyone about anything, even though he admits that he is a businessman and MacKay for being nothing more than the tool used by Hughes to implement failed changes.

The role of a CEO is, according to wiki...

....I can see nothing that points to MacKay delivering on any of the above. It is patently clear that he simply does as he is told and in doing so, has managed to secure 4 years salary in a Job title that bears little resemblance to what he actually does.

Neither of these 2 men have the slightest clue of how to run a professional sports club.

The best way I can describe Hughes "investment" in the club is to compare him to a man standing at a Roulette Wheel and betting a considerable sum every time on 37. The croupier, other assembled gamblers and the management repeatedly tell him that the numbers only go to 36, but "he knows best" and believes that he'll win in the end if he keeps faith in his decision.....it is entertaining to watch, but it becomes increasingly painful as time goes by before it becomes just pitiful.

The real crime here is that by the end of his tenure this year, he will have flushed close to 14 million quid down the drain and we will have NOTHING to show for it......I don't know whether to cry or laugh



If I had 10% of that, I'd have delivered 5k averages within 2 years, but they've somehow managed to reduce the gates to 1,200.....

...I'll say this though. If the RFL allow Mandy K to buy the Bradford Bills, I believe that both Lenegan and Hughes may well be advised to seek legal advice. If they'd have let IL keep his shares and permitted him to invest in the club, we'd be 100% better off than the shambles we have before us.....

North London is football land not union land (I say that as a Saracens fan).

I had been looking forward to going to a few Bronocs games as they are now more local to me but there's nothing worse than a very one sided game and it looks like it could be a full season of those... Not been to a game at the Hive yet as the first 3 home games clashed with RU 6 nations, next two home games being on a Thursday is hardly going to help crowds...

it is the classic mistake made by many non-Londoners and all foreigners who are either tourists or now living in the capital, that the Tube map is a map of London.

Therefore it is perfectly safe to assume that the Oil broker and his African puppet believe that the tube station's proximity to the Hive was a game changer........alas, the only thing it is likely to change is the division the team play in

Point of order.

There is no UNION heartland. Nor is there a Soccer on e either.......there is on the other hand, a RL heartland, because that's where 99.9% of the teams that play the game are based.

There are Union teams scattered from the West Country to the East Midlands, a couple further north and a few along the M4 with some in London.

Also, TWICKENHAM is not a Union heartland. TWICKENHAM is where the RFU happen to have their stadium. Same goes for WEMBLEY......it is not a soccer heartland.

You could situate the London Broncos anywhere in the UK.....with the idiots in charge still in charge, nobody would care, none would bother and even less would turn up to watch.

Welcome DartfordBronco. Agree with your points that the prices aren't going to help with attracting new fans.We should've done what the Big Hit RLWC Semi Finals done with the fantastic pricings. Really baffles me how we haven't had any incentives to bring people in from the area who are mostly, QPR,Arsenal,Spurs,Watford and Barnet fans and would have never seen an RL match in their life.

Agree with GF re: the Ian Lenegan situation.

Our hope is that an investor comes in to replace the current administration or even the Barnet Chairman gets into a joint venture. But as the weeks go on, still no news.

Gutterfax, there's not just two of them, the coach is a clown as well.

Which is which ?

To try to answer the OP's query:

- On field performance was always going to be very poor this season. We knew this 6 months or so ago when the established squad was allowed to disintegrate without the possibility of any new recruitment until the new ground-share was finalised. Other clubs have had squads assembled and in training together since early November. We still have players arriving within the past couple of weeks. And of course, being so late at the races, we've been able to recruit only those players that nobody else wanted.

- Off-field, there is no evidence of any leadership or attempts at supporter engagement from whoever is currently "managing" this "organisation". Just one example (which has already been highlighted by others) - I've been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years. I've bought no ticket of any type this season. And how has the club reacted to my disappearance from the stands and the revenue stream? Not at all. Not a single contact. I recall that a few seasons ago I was a bit dilatory about renewing my season ticket. What happened then? I received a phone call, on behalf of the club, from one of the academy lads. But now? NOTHING. I'm afraid that the club deserves to die because it's doing almost nothing to keep itself alive.

When will it sink in........it is not a ground share. The landlord receives money from London broncos, money from London broncos fans and from the RFL.......London broncos don't "share" anything

Exactly.
This season I have had a 50% off voucher through the post from Hemel Stags as I went to one RLWC game and today I got an e-mail from the RFL offering me half price ticket for London Slokars...nothing from the Broncos.

Thank you all for taking the time to write a post. One thing is clear, whether I agree or not , you all clearly have a passion for the club that can only be applauded.

Personally, I don't think its worth the £50 for the family, plus the travelling costs to watch a team who at this moment in time look like certainties to be relegated. The team are really trying but I don't see why I should part with hard earned cash to watch them get hammered.

I wish you all the very best for the remainder of the season, and someone should talk to Barry Hearn about how he turned snooker and darts into major sporting attractions ! Now there's a man who knows how to put bums on seats........

And you call me a nit picker.


If you don't like the use of the term ground share, kindly provide some succinct alternative wording and I'll amend my post.

How about lodger?

If the Stoop was a groundshare (i.e. you paid money for use of someone else's stadium), then so is the Hive. . Broncos share a home ground with Barnet and London Bees, that to me makes it a groundshare regardless of how the money is split.


The thing that I really don't understand is:
We know the whole admin has been replaced, we know that the new admin emailed thousands of people on a contact list it had been provided from the previous admin.

Why in hell were these people who were season ticket holders last year not on this list? What happened to the list of season ticketholders last year or in earlier years?

I still maintain that the new admin team don't have all of last years details so if they haven't contacted you yet I doubt they ever will. Therefore if you are waiting for the Broncos to contact you before you go again then you are in for a very long wait.

If I was in this position of wanting to see Broncos play and not being contacted then I would be ringing up and asking why I haven't been contacted. Obviously if you are looking for a reason not to go because of what has happened to date then not going because you haven't been contacted is very convenient for you.

The club bunged it up on the internet for all to see.

Hence peeing off the few loyal customers they had left.

We all know this and sadly it helps no one. I fail to see a way forward due to the mistakes of the past compounded by the current issues.

Season ticket holders of long-standing (or, indeed, any standing) shouldn't be receiving general communications, they should be receiving personal contact. They are the easiest fans to convert to sales.

I get the impression that many of these folk are quite rightly fed up of being taken for granted over a long period. Expecting them to do all the running in the relationship with the club is precisely why they are fed up and precisely why they won't contact the club to ask why they are being ignored. Can anyone blame them?

Whoever is marketing the Broncos - the Hive? - ought to follow up every lapsed season ticket holder/regular attendee from 2013 - a simple data merge operation would help identify who's missing in 2014 - and start a conversation with them, perhaps making them an offer for the Huddersfield game. It will soon be too late.

I agree but how do you contact them if you don't have their details?
I would be amazed if the Hive have the details and have CHOSEN not to contact them.



Can't say I blame them but how do you solve it if you don't know who these people are?



Yes it would be simple if the 2013 season ticket list is available to whoevers doing marketing. I just can't see that they wouldn't do this if they had the information.

So the result is one side can't contact the other, and the other side wont come unless they are contacted. Result is a stalemate and less going to games.

Well Mel, are you stating fact?
Inconceivable that the Hive don't have the most importance piece of data needed in a Ticket-Office, the list of last season's Season Ticket Holders and ticket purchasers. The onus is on the business to seek out the Customer if the business wishes to profit from said Customer, not the other way round in this case. None of the ticket money is going to the Broncos either which is total madness.
Is it possible that David, Gus, Tony and Blake would have sat down with AK and done the deal they did over the ticketing and then hid the Ticket List from him?. What would they have stood to gain from doing that? Sorry if I have misunderstood your post.
I was at the World cup Semi Final at Wembley and sure enough London Skolars have emailed me this week offering me the chance to go and see them in action. Wether they get a hundred or twenty folk to attend, it will be worth their while exploiting this untapped resource of Rugby fans. Skolars understand the concept of bums on seats and monies to them from ticket sales go to them and Rugby.
Surely also an opportunity available to London Broncos and Barnet FC.

I'm not stating fact, just opinion.
Do you honestly think David, Gus, Tony and Blake sat down and discussed the nitty gritty of what information is available\passed?
I don't, I doubt they knew what and where the information was held. I think that they left it to someone lower down the chain to sort out.

So the question we are both asking is if the Hive have this information then why have they not used it. The only explanation I can find is that they don't have the information as we agree the best way of improving take up would've been to contact these people. So the only conclusion I am left with is not that they have received the information and chosen not to use it, but they have not received it. If the Admin staff were all laid off as we are told then who was left to show the Hive where the information is held.

Last time I asked on twitter I asked why last years season ticket holders haven't been contacted yet and I was told they had a list but couldn't use it until data protection issues had been sorted, they then confirmed that everyone on the list they had has been emailed. I can only deduce from this that either they believe all season ticket holders were in that list and are unaware that this contact list does not contain all season ticket holders.

I am an ex season ticket holder and have been emailed the Broncos news letters but I have not been contacted directly about renewing my season ticket which I am not to concerned about if the admin staff wanted to push seasons tickets they could do it through the news letter. My main concern is the cost of a season ticket this year my wife and I were concessions at the Stoop but we do not have this privilege at the Hive. We have complained about the change in the age of concessions but have got no where. Due to Barnet wanting to make more money out of the old season ticket holders by charging more for season tickets I very much doubt if I will go to any matches this year.