15 games into the season and we are on target for the worst points difference in a SL season..... We currently ship 2 points for each one we score.....33 a game.

The Players we have are being paid the cap.....the coach we have was persuaded to stay here last year and I can only assume there wa a decent financial incentive for him to stay. Neither the squad nor the coach are giving anything like value for money at present.

We've been hammered before, but it would seem that there are too many players at the club who no longer want to step up to the mark.....we recruited badly for a number of years and we are now reaping the spoils of the total and utter mismanagement of the club since 2008 onwards.

The fans have drifted away in alarming numbers, with those hardy souls left being outnumbered by Wigan fans at the weekend.......

I used to feel anger when I saw what was being done to the club I support.....unfortunately, it's now more sadness and acceptance that by the time 2015 hits us, there will in all probability be no club left to support.

I will still fight for bandwidth to listen to the games, but in all honestly, if we make the Challege Cup final, I wouldn't even be tempted.....whereas a few years back, I would have not hesitated at spending $4,000 to get home for it.....they really have ripped the heart out of the club.

I think TR was stuck with the players to be fair.

I recognise he is responsible for getting them to play, but...

Stuck with the vast majority of players, yes. However, there are other things we might have expected him to change - physical conditioning, attitude, psychology, mental toughness, playing structures, on-field partnerships. Not easy, obviously, but really, he's been clueless. I doubt very much he took the job on thinking he'd be treading water for a full 15 months - he expected to do better than Powell and he hasn't.

I still can't work out who was in charge when we signed Grady, Wheeldon and Robertson for 2013 in the middle of a staff review. Did someone let Powell make these decisions just weeks before firing him?

Phil Bailey?

What about Phil Bailey?

It would seem Danny Ward is on the coaching team to.

Yeah. Maybe he was the one making contract decisions in the middle of last year.

Tony as the coach has to take so responsibility, one comment I heard was that he said he could tell before the match they were not up for it! what a sad and truly bad situation.

Who can we sign for one more season? with doubts about the future.

Be Fair Colly. After 15 rounds last season, we had two wins only. So in theory we are doing better.

Conditioning – The Head Coach's job? Also, if he helps with mental toughness, attitude and psychology how will that make our players more talented. Because, the thing I hear from here is that there are players there that don't even know the basics. Something very f-ing annoying if you think about it. And something to add to the list of a first grade coach that shouldn't even be on any list at this level.





You can get that feel pre-match. Players are quiet. Warm up at not at an intensity you want. etc. etc. And then revisit those thoughts it if you lose.

I imagine the coach has a say in whether he wants players to bulk up/down, improve stamina etc. and then the conditioner delivers that. That's what I meant.

Related to that, one thing that worries me is that we have very few natural forwards. Cook, Clubb, Lovell, McMeeken, Grady, Bailey, Melling all started life as backs and those that played on Sunday were overpowered by a big, aggressive set of forwards. That's happened a few times now. Wigan had big, aggressive threequarters too and given that any of our backs who offer physical presence are encouraged to become middle units, it's little surprise that we got bullied right across the pitch. (And I do mean bullied; not content with running through us, some of the Wigan players spent the afternoon goading our smaller players - the complete lack of response was embarrassing).

But you are right, some players don't seem to know the basics and that must infuriate Tony Rea.

Hello all,

I think that you have to look at the fact that London Broncos recently sent out notifications to 12 of the first team squad with reference to whether they would be retained, whether the club was still considering this, or whether they would be released.

The likes of Mark Bryant, Michael Channing, Liam Colbon, Matthew Cook, Luke Dorn, David Howell, Alex Hurst, Will Lovell, Chris Melling and Chad Randall are very likely to face uncertain futures and the older players are probably finished in terms of top-level Rugby.

You'd have to imagine that this would have a very negative effect in the short-term in morale across the whole squad, especially when you look at the fact that three of the Australians on this list believed to be leaving were signed by Tony Rea in his first spell here and thus have been with the club for about 20 years, so they will be massively influential/vocal.

I personally felt that this season would be a great one if we could avoid the bottom three and a good one if we could avoid bottom given the squad we had, which let's face it has been consistently been at a 20% win rate for the last 40 games of Mac's tenure, not even that with Powell and now is at around the 33% mark since Tony came back, so is improving but not even Wayne Bennett could expect to put Alex Hurst against Pat Richards or lose his one Hooker, who is the retired assistant coach after 5 minutes, and hold out against Wigan.

Sam Tomkins was probably the best Rugby player who has ever appeared at the Twickenham Stoop at club level and he was mesmeric.

Some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue. I didn't enjoy being the statue. It was like being in an electric chair.

Rammo

Is this list true or just supposition? In either case I am not sure it is fair to post it. I would find it extraordinary if Cook was on the list, as he appears to have been just about our only forward to consistently put in.

What was really disturbing on Saturday was not so much being thrashed but the way London were, and the term is correct, bullied. I forget who it was scored a try, carrying a London defender over the line while waving the ball around as if to pass it. It was like he was carrying a toddler on a walk in the park. I've rarely seen that level of difference between two teams in the same league.

The lists of off-contract players are common knowledge: www.zerotackle.com/super-league/ ... ract-2013/ It is also common knowledge of the anti-tamper deadline by which time clubs notify players of their thinking The letters have definitely been sent out within our club and all these named players are out of contract at the end of the season, alongside Bailey who is believed to have signed for the Giants and Sarginson who is believed to have signed for Wigan. The club has not announced a contract extension for any of these players as yet, so we can assume that many will be leaving. Whether this will be externally communicated or we will see them at the last game on the pitch is a different thing. Obviously a promised conditional contract is still not job security and be unsettling still perhaps. Especially if your destiny is likely to be part-time when you are a young professional or you are on big money and in your early 30s but have not played well consistently since 2009. I believe our best seven players are Gower, Dixon, Bailey, Clubb, Cook, Lee and a fully fit and healthy Kaufusi and I wish we could build the team around them

The lists of off-contract players are common knowledge: www.zerotackle.com/super-league/ ... ract-2013/ It is also common knowledge of the anti-tamper deadline by which time clubs notify players of their thinking The letters have definitely been sent out within our club and all these named players are out of contract at the end of the season, alongside Bailey who is believed to have signed for the Giants and Sarginson who is believed to have signed for Wigan. The club has not announced a contract extension for any of these players as yet, so we can assume that many will be leaving. Whether this will be externally communicated or we will see them at the last game on the pitch is a different thing. Obviously a promised conditional contract is still not job security and be unsettling still perhaps. Especially if your destiny is likely to be part-time when you are a young professional or you are on big money and in your early 30s but have not played well consistently since 2009. I believe our best seven players are Gower, Dixon, Bailey, Clubb, Cook, Lee and a fully fit and healthy Kaufusi and I wish we could build the team around them

Totally agree. Cook and Clubb are about the only forwards who seem to give us any momentum going forward.

As for non OOC players, I just can’t get my head round players like Rodney and Robertson, Grand Final winners and yet ....

Wheeldon goes ok and I guess we are stuck with lightweights like Krasniqi and Dollapi.

OOC players I wouldn’t shed a tear over any of them leaving, in fact Colborn has been so anonymous, he might as well have left.

The problem is, looking at other teams OOC players who would we really want ? Who would want to come here ? Donaldson ? Lulia ? Whitehead ? Henderson ? Faiumu ? Bailey (Ryan

) ? Carvell ? Flower ? Taylor ?

'You'd have to imagine that this would have a very negative effect in the short-term in morale across the whole squad, especially when you look at the fact that three of the Australians on this list believed to be leaving were signed by Tony Rea in his first spell here and thus have been with the club for about 20 years, so they will be massively influential/vocal'

If I understand what you are saying - who has been with the club for 20 years? no one I can remember has been around that long not even Tony Rae. If this is the reason for the weekends debacle what was the reason for the last four years poor performances. Bit puzzled - maybe I misunderstand your post

Sorry, that was poor communication.

The Australians signed by Tony Rea have played for the club for a combined 20 years between them all.

Randall has been here since around 2005/2006, Howell since 2008, Dorn has been here for two spells with his first in 2005-2006 and second since 2009.

I think Melling is the longest serving English player from another club.
That is pretty much a clear out of all your longest serving players in one go if all go as I believe is going to be the case.

That is going to have a big impact, after all, these guys were the playing foundation in the past and probably the social foundation for new starters.

Dan denied this at the weekend, he said he has had offers from several clubs as well as of course from our club, he loves London but is honoured that other clubs would like to sign him, he said his Management will be at the Magic Weekend and he will have discussions with them and they will have discussions with London.

I feel that Dan is not the finished product yet and one more season in London will do no harm, yes going to another club you can say he will have better players around him, but would he get regular matches?

The thing is, if you were to move to any club you have to honestly ask yourself - Am I better than the starting 13 in any position? Them, am I better than the starting 17 in any position? And if not, when will I be? Otherwise you will be out on loan unless luck falls your way.

I couldn't see Dan dislodging anyone at Wigan that is for sure.

Agree Rammo...no disrespect to Sargi but it would be surprising if Wigan don't have anyone as good as him amongst their young'uns.

He would be better served sticking around here for another year (and hope he can stay fit...he's either injury prone or a bit unlucky, take your pick).

Whilst I'd agree a year of regular first team action would be best the length of contract comes into play. It would seem likely we will be offering one year contracts given the uncertainty about our future. The potential financial security of, say, a three year deal elsewhere will surely be rather attractive.

Quote ="markrammond"I personally felt that this season would be a great one if we could avoid the bottom three and a good one if we could avoid bottom given the squad we had, which let's face it has been consistently been at a 20% win rate for the last 40 games of Mac's tenure, not even that with Powell and now is at around the 33% mark since Tony came back, so is improving but not even Wayne Bennett could expect to put Alex Hurst against Pat Richards or lose his one Hooker, who is the retired assistant coach after 5 minutes, and hold out against Wigan. Some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue. I didn't enjoy being the statue. It was like being in an electric chair. Rammo '" Well said Rammo. Tony Rea has the hand he has been dealt with. Judge him more on next season, which is asking a lot of the poor long suffering London fan, but he is obviously looking at new signings. Quote ="markrammond"The lists of off-contract players are common knowledge: www.zerotackle.com/super-league/ ... ract-2013/ It is also common knowledge of the anti-tamper deadline by which time clubs notify players of their thinking The club has not announced a contract extension for any of these players as yet, so we can assume that many will be leaving. Whether this will be externally communicated or we will see them at the last game on the pitch is a different thing. Obviously a promised conditional contract is still not job security and be unsettling still perhaps.'" That's good news about the anti-tampering as in the past London players were messed around so much by the club. But do remember, the club are also incredibly stingey with information about signings and have always kept quite schtum in the past. It always seemed to have been on a "need to know" basis. I just had a flashback to about 2000, when we were poor, then the club at different times announced the signings of people like Richie Barnett, Jason Hetherington, Jimmy Dymock, Dennis Moran etc. Oh for a weaker dollar again.

Quote ="markrammond"I personally felt that this season would be a great one if we could avoid the bottom three and a good one if we could avoid bottom given the squad we had, which let's face it has been consistently been at a 20% win rate for the last 40 games of Mac's tenure, not even that with Powell and now is at around the 33% mark since Tony came back, so is improving but not even Wayne Bennett could expect to put Alex Hurst against Pat Richards or lose his one Hooker, who is the retired assistant coach after 5 minutes, and hold out against Wigan. Some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue. I didn't enjoy being the statue. It was like being in an electric chair. Rammo '" Well said Rammo. Tony Rea has the hand he has been dealt with. Judge him more on next season, which is asking a lot of the poor long suffering London fan, but he is obviously looking at new signings. Quote ="markrammond"The lists of off-contract players are common knowledge: www.zerotackle.com/super-league/ ... ract-2013/ It is also common knowledge of the anti-tamper deadline by which time clubs notify players of their thinking The club has not announced a contract extension for any of these players as yet, so we can assume that many will be leaving. Whether this will be externally communicated or we will see them at the last game on the pitch is a different thing. Obviously a promised conditional contract is still not job security and be unsettling still perhaps.'" That's good news about the anti-tampering as in the past London players were messed around so much by the club. But do remember, the club are also incredibly stingey with information about signings and have always kept quite schtum in the past. It always seemed to have been on a "need to know" basis. I just had a flashback to about 2000, when we were poor, then the club at different times announced the signings of people like Richie Barnett, Jason Hetherington, Jimmy Dymock, Dennis Moran etc. Oh for a weaker dollar again.

never before has the use of singular as opposed to plural been more accurate....







Not sure what you think is the current base at the Club RB, but I can assure you it is well below 800 ST holders.

The Club are moving, but as yet refuse to tell their fans where too and by the sounds of it, a good number of the squad received letters saying "thanks but no thanks for 2015" over the last week or so and reacted on the pitch v Wigan.

Seriously....the club as they are now are not in any way shape or form the club you seem to remember from your days on the ground.....2,181 is the average gate to date, 13th in the table with 2 points let in for each one we score.

Less than 800 is sad isn't it.

As has been mentioned previous, the club have always been tight lipped about anything over the years. This has been a cause of frustration for many over many years.

It is interesting to hear that clubs are telling people now as over here that isn't the done thing. Believe it or not a large percentage of players in a 25-33 man squad are uncertain of their future year on year. Also as I intimated, this can be a good thing as a player knows now where their future lies. In this instance, not at London. And if this is a common occurence in the UK now, then other players at other clubs will have been given notice also. Maybe even at Wigan also.

Thing is, how does a player respond? If you think about it. You tell your manager and if you want a future in the top flight you play your nuts off for the rest of the season, trying to attract a new club. You don't do that, then tata off to part timer land or you're simply not good enough for first grade anyway.

I think the thing is that some people will be upset with any home loss, even if they have previously enjoyed three consecutive home wins in a row and can lose sight of previously better perfornances, but then we left in a world of instantaneous communication and immediate gratification.

The reality of this game is that played the best team in the league who were 1/10 on with many bookies and at close to full strength and were well beaten. Any home supporter could be justifiably disappointed with the earlyness of the collapse which went on from about six minutes onwards and which you would not expect when players are still relatively fresh.

We were simply outclassed, with one player able to cut us to pieces through the middle and getting a hat-trick and setting up at least three tries and two other international wingers doing the same on the flanks. The guys were demoralised that is for sure.

The underlying issue is that we have signings from Tony's first spell, Mac's spell, Powell's spell and Tony's second spell.

Mac tended to sign players who were already old or Leeds/Bradford youngsters who did not make the grade, gave short contracts to our home grown players but longer contracts to the older players. Powell signed players who were injury prone or again further renewed contracts just as Mac also did.

Tony has already released 10 players and he'll be close to doing the same again so he is actively managing the problem, whenever contracts expire, so he is doing all he can.

I don't want people to be driving away Tony or alienating the players.

I mean come on, is Gus going to be interested in a fan's forum when people are basically downright insulting him at every opportunity? Is reminding the club daily of dwindling attendances going to add more. Sometimes you can kill the one you love but not through kindness but your unkindness.

You make so much sense to me.

Which could be worrying for you