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| The season is not over yet. The team can still make the playoffs if the will is there.
There is a definite need to get rid of Lovell, with his turnstile defence. But apart from that the building blocks are there. What the team showed against Wigan in the first half would be sufficient to make the top 8. But it is up to the coach and the players to get an 80 minute winning mentality.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The season is not over yet. The team can still make the playoffs if the will is there.
There is a definite need to get rid of Lovell, with his turnstile defence. But apart from that the building blocks are there. What the team showed against Wigan in the first half would be sufficient to make the top 8. But it is up to the coach and the players to get an 80 minute winning mentality.'"
too early in the morning for me, but you carry on
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| If you think the Broncos have any chance of finishingin the top 8 your living on fantasy island.
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| Here is an interesting idea.
Everyone complains that London lacks quality centres. Actually I know of one whom everyone seems to have forgotten. His name is Tony Clubb. This young man actually played in the centre position for England. Maybe that makes him good enough to be a centre for London? It would certainly stiffen both the attack and defence in that position. Fewer tries scored against London, and maybe more scored by London.
Here s a possible London backline in which Tony Clubb is used in the centres:
Robertson
Colbon, Clubb, Howell/Hurst, Dixon
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Clubb could be the great spine stiffener that sets London on the path to greater success, and helps London to realise its potential to be a top 8 side.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Here is an interesting idea.
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| Clubb has been out with a virus for two months, do keep up!
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| Is that a virus that attacks the defensive system?
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| Hello Jean,
In theory the club could choose any two from Howell, McMeeken, Hurst, Lovell, O'Callaghan, Sarginson, Grady, Channing and Clubb given that all have experience in the centres.
Clubb, Grady, McMeeken and Lovell are power based centres whilst Channing, Hurst, Howell, Sarginson and O'Callaghan rely more on technique and elusiveness. So there are options.
However only Clubb and Sarginson have a demonstratable scoring record.
Most of these names are unproven whilst Howell has had two seasons with 0 tries and 3 tries and O'C has only scored 18 times in nearly 90 games, making little case for their inclusion.
When you look at the very limited talent pool of English centres throughout Super League and perhaps more importantly with the lack of proven ability at our club, I can understand Jean's point about Clubby returning to his previous position as a Centre Threequarter.
He is a great attacking threat with deceptive pace, the desire to crash through anyone else to get to the line and looked like he could be a modern day senior.
However, I felt that Clubby looked exposed in defense towards the end of his spell in the backs.
An unsuccessful partnership with his winger where has was covering too much field and rarely playing in his wing man seemed to be the main problems
With someone like Colbon as a wing man and a good tackler at full back then he could be tried once again.
I would go with a back line of Robertson, Dixon, Sarginson, Clubb, Colbon, Dorn and Gower. My forwards would be Wheeldon, Lee, Bryant, Rodney, Grady and Bailey. Bench: Kaufusi, Fisher, Melling, Cook.
Cheers
Rammo
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| No Randall
Did Howell not score at the end of last year?
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| Quote ="markrammond"
Howell...and O'Callaghan rely more on ... elusiveness. '"
Agreed, both very elusive. When there's defending to be done, there's no sign of them!
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| Quote ="poplar panther"Clubb has been out with a virus for two months, do keep up!'"
Maybe it is you who needs to keep up
See penultimate para for news of his comeback.
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| Quote ="markrammond"Hello Jean,
In theory the club could choose any two from Howell, McMeeken, Hurst, Lovell, O'Callaghan, Sarginson, Grady, Channing and Clubb given that all have experience in the centres.
Clubb, Grady, McMeeken and Lovell are power based centres whilst Channing, Hurst, Howell, Sarginson and O'Callaghan rely more on technique and elusiveness. So there are options.
However only Clubb and Sarginson have a demonstratable scoring record.
Most of these names are unproven whilst Howell has had two seasons with 0 tries and 3 tries and O'C has only scored 18 times in nearly 90 games, making little case for their inclusion.
When you look at the very limited talent pool of English centres throughout Super League and perhaps more importantly with the lack of proven ability at our club, I can understand Jean's point about Clubby returning to his previous position as a Centre Threequarter.
He is a great attacking threat with deceptive pace, the desire to crash through anyone else to get to the line and looked like he could be a modern day senior.
However, I felt that Clubby looked exposed in defense towards the end of his spell in the backs.
An unsuccessful partnership with his winger where has was covering too much field and rarely playing in his wing man seemed to be the main problems
With someone like Colbon as a wing man and a good tackler at full back then he could be tried once again.
I would go with a back line of Robertson, Dixon, Sarginson, Clubb, Colbon, Dorn and Gower. My forwards would be Wheeldon, Lee, Bryant, Rodney, Grady and Bailey. Bench: Kaufusi, Fisher, Melling, Cook.
Cheers
Rammo'"
Hello Rammo,
Thanks for your thoughtful contribution. And I must say I like your team selection.
I hope you can pass your thoughts on the team to Tony Rea.
Cheers,
Jean
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| Not read the whole thread but title sums up exactly why Superleague is such a farce and the sport is on its ass
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| Quote ="Darthchris"Not read the whole thread but title sums up exactly why Superleague is such a farce and the sport is on its ass'"
You should read the whole thread. It could give you a new perspective on Super League, and on life in general.
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| Hi Wire,
Howell scored just eight Super League tries between 2010 and 2012, with a 5, 0 and 3 contribution. He looked a bit better for a brief period last season.
O'Callaghan has 14 Super League tries from 81 games. He must have the worst win percentage in the competition with 15 wins from 81 games.
By comparison Clubb has 46 tries from 145 first class games - which includes many games as a forward/interchange player - and Sarginson 11 from 28 games.
I would not select Randall because he has poor statistical performances in that has missed over 250 tackles since the start of the 2011 season - about 1 in 5 of all attempted tackles - creates relatively few tries, only a handful per season and none this year and hardly ever scores, plus has only made 27 metres a game so far this season. I do not see what he offers in attack - I do not expect a James Roby, but this is exceptionally poor.
My thinking on the team Jean is that, given their previous strike rates, you'd be expecting about 10 tries per Clubb and Sarginson per season and a similar number from Colbon whilst both Dixon and Robertson would weigh in with around a try every two games, so this could take us to around 55-60 tries. Dorn could be scoring another 15 or so and perhaps about 5 from Gower would see us getting about 80ish, or at least three tries per game from the backs.
Just one try from the forwards per game and a 75% kicking rate would see us with 22 points or more per game and give us a chance some of the time.
Some of the more dubious defenders would obviously leak tries at an alarming rate but I think this keeps most of the weaker defenders out of the squad.
Cheers
Rammo
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| Rammo are you Phil Clarkes researcher!! its a pity the game isnt played in a calculator.
Are you responsible for the nobby meter he had last year and the sh*tty traffic lights we have to tolerate this year
Wire and Leeds made more handling errors than all other teams last year!! hmmm
Chads stats dont show up to well thats for sure.
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| Lots of good pts.
Lovell has potential. Seen some good things but some rookie errors.
Clubb was a storming who never seemed to have any intention to pass to his winger which made him easier to defend against. I believe last time he had a run there O'C was his wing man and never got the ball from him, one of the reasons for his low try rate.
Chad is a workman like player who can play lots of positions but is not creative. He is fine to start at Hooker if his replacement is well... a frenchman! The difference last season when Rinaldi came on was huge. Anyway Chad is fine if you have a good defensive team around him and are looking to hold the other team... however we aren't that defensive team!
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| Quote ="markrammond"Hi Wire,
Howell scored just eight Super League tries between 2010 and 2012, with a 5, 0 and 3 contribution. He looked a bit better for a brief period last season.
O'Callaghan has 14 Super League tries from 81 games. He must have the worst win percentage in the competition with 15 wins from 81 games.
By comparison Clubb has 46 tries from 145 first class games - which includes many games as a forward/interchange player - and Sarginson 11 from 28 games.
I would not select Randall because he has poor statistical performances in that has missed over 250 tackles since the start of the 2011 season - about 1 in 5 of all attempted tackles - creates relatively few tries, only a handful per season and none this year and hardly ever scores, plus has only made 27 metres a game so far this season. I do not see what he offers in attack - I do not expect a James Roby, but this is exceptionally poor.
My thinking on the team Jean is that, given their previous strike rates, you'd be expecting about 10 tries per Clubb and Sarginson per season and a similar number from Colbon whilst both Dixon and Robertson would weigh in with around a try every two games, so this could take us to around 55-60 tries. Dorn could be scoring another 15 or so and perhaps about 5 from Gower would see us getting about 80ish, or at least three tries per game from the backs.
Just one try from the forwards per game and a 75% kicking rate would see us with 22 points or more per game and give us a chance some of the time.
Some of the more dubious defenders would obviously leak tries at an alarming rate but I think this keeps most of the weaker defenders out of the squad.
Cheers
Rammo'"
Wow, Randall's stats are horrendous! How is he still in a job, let alone the first 13 ?
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| You've got to be kidding...Chad is has been our top tackler for many years and usually the (or one of) the most effective.
Think those stats wrong...since 2011, Chad has made 1,510 and missed 90 (a success rate of around 95%). Are you getting mixed up with marker tackles? He's made 256 of those over the last 3 years.
Jeez, we don't need anyone trying to make our team look any worse than they are!
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"You've got to be kidding...Chad is has been our top tackler for many years and usually the (or one of) the most effective.
Think those stats wrong...since 2011, Chad has made 1,510 and missed 90 (a success rate of around 95%). Are you getting mixed up with marker tackles? He's made 256 of those over the last 3 years.
Jeez, we don't need anyone trying to make our team look any worse than they are!
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Whatever the stats say (and let's face it stats can be bent any way you want - just ask George Osborne!) but Chad's been dreadful for at least the last 3 seasons, a shadow of the player he used to be! You only had to see the impact made when Rinaldi would come off the bench last season to see how poor Chad is now, I couldn't see him getting a game at any other SL club. I'm not convinced that Tommy Lee's an adequate replacement either.
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| Quote ="Rob from Erith"Whatever the stats say (and let's face it stats can be bent any way you want - just ask George Osborne!) but Chad's been dreadful for at least the last 3 seasons, a shadow of the player he used to be! You only had to see the impact made when Rinaldi would come off the bench last season to see how poor Chad is now, I couldn't see him getting a game at any other SL club. I'm not convinced that Tommy Lee's an adequate replacement either.'"
Chad is a spent farce.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"Chad is a spent farce.
[size=50That's not a typo btw[/size'"
London needs another French hooker.
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| Chad Randall is the least of our concerns IMO.
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| Chad may have lost a bit of his zip (he's getting on a bit as we know) but I think it's only fair to set his record straight.
Always remember Brian Mac saying (more than once) that Chad was the best trainer and hardest worker...usually out-staying the others in the gym etc). Also, he's barely missed a game for us in 7 years which we cannot say about many of our current and previous players.
It seems to me that he's always tried his best for London so don't know why so many people snipe at him.
Anyhoo, as richie says, least of our problems at the moment.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"London needs another French hooker.'" Nah, all the ones from Eastern Europe are all that's needed.
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