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| I have read all the posts tonight and agree with plenty and disagree with a lot. I thought I would post an account of my day, seeing as a few people lately have accused me of not being bothered, being a part time supporter, and oddly, not evem exisiting! Read it if you like.
I watched Coronation Street and Neighbours last night on ITV Player and FiveOD before calling it a night, as I was up early in the morning. My alarm went off at 6am, took a quick shower, sorted all my stuff out and left my flat, walking from the suburbs of Sheffield into the city centre. It was a good 45 minute walk but I made it with 15 minutes to spare. Fortunately, the coach was pretty empty, perhaps there were 15 people on board, so I had space to relax. After an extended stop at Milton Keynes, I finally disembarked, bowling to Marble Arch and taking the Central Line to Tottenham Court Road before travelling southbound on the Northern Line to Waterloo. Here I met up with The Penguin and Leeboy (a Maidstone resident) in the Hole in the Wall, a regular haunt now the club have decided to make our games a 2pm kick off.
After a couple of pints we made our way to the station, and the train to Twickenham. Delayed slightly, the journey was OK, and we arrived with 25 minutes to spare. Here, we met up with a few Salford supporters, who believed they stood no chance. Made our way to the ground, got a pint, took our seats in AG (the block of kings) and enjoyed the first half, where we were in complete control. Salford are one of the worst teams I have seen in years, including our goodselves.
Anyway, half time came, the Salford supporters changed ends, and they and their side proceeded to batter us. The big difference is their supporters actually care - throughout the first half, our supporters were silent - it was pathetic, truly pathetic. Loyal and Loud? Honestly? Utterly embarrassing. Nobody is even bothered. To me, the vast majority of our fanbase see our games as a bit of a jolly, a laugh that isn't that important. Cheer when we score a try, not bothered what else happens. We can conceed 50 points yet some of the balloons that support our team will cheer the side when they sneak over in the corner when 30 points behind. But through the whole of the second half, the Salford supporters chanted like they meant it, and were a credit to the sport. Meanwhile, our lot sat there in silence.
I am trying not to mention the performance put in front of us but that is the worst I have seen in 13 years following this team. Literally 0 positives, apart from Lamont Bryan who looks interested. The rest of the team are pathetic. Special mentions go out to Clubb, Melling, Bolger, Wilkes and O'Callaghan (who is so out of his depth if is unbelieveable. In fact, Clubb deserves special praise for being absolutely useless. As if some people thought he deserved international honours. He is crap. Simple as that. He is a bloke with a bit of size who can't tackle and it wouldn't concern me if we lost him to the Skolars. Apologies for dissing a player from the South, I know they are seemingly untouchable.
Oh, and our top class signing Bibb - I have seen blokes slower and less overweight in the local kebab shop.
After enduring the second half capitulation, I enjoyed a beer with the Salford fans - again, passionate about Rugby League, enjoying their victory while the majority of our supporters either went home like little sheep to return next time, went drinking in the bar, or hung around to watch our utterly pathetic youth team. I was under the impression that this team was gods gift - apparently this is the only thing keeping our club afloat. Alas, they were useless, and got ripped apart. I left at half time, utterly despondant and at a new low. I had a couple of pints with my mates and got the train back to Sheffield. And now I am home.
One of the worst things tonight was seeing one of the only supporters that I have any time for in regards to this club failing to raise a smile after the game. It truly was that bad. If we had won I would have felt the same. We are the worst team in the league, and I am strugging to keep the faith.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I have read all the posts tonight and agree with plenty and disagree with a lot. I thought I would post an account of my day, seeing as a few people lately have accused me of not being bothered, being a part time supporter, and oddly, not evem exisiting! Read it if you like.
I watched Coronation Street and Neighbours last night on ITV Player and FiveOD before calling it a night, as I was up early in the morning. My alarm went off at 6am, took a quick shower, sorted all my stuff out and left my flat, walking from the suburbs of Sheffield into the city centre. It was a good 45 minute walk but I made it with 15 minutes to spare. Fortunately, the coach was pretty empty, perhaps there were 15 people on board, so I had space to relax. After an extended stop at Milton Keynes, I finally disembarked, bowling to Marble Arch and taking the Central Line to Tottenham Court Road before travelling southbound on the Northern Line to Waterloo. Here I met up with The Penguin and Leeboy (a Maidstone resident) in the Hole in the Wall, a regular haunt now the club have decided to make our games a 2pm kick off.
After a couple of pints we made our way to the station, and the train to Twickenham. Delayed slightly, the journey was OK, and we arrived with 25 minutes to spare. Here, we met up with a few Salford supporters, who believed they stood no chance. Made our way to the ground, got a pint, took our seats in AG (the block of kings) and enjoyed the first half, where we were in complete control. Salford are one of the worst teams I have seen in years, including our goodselves.
Anyway, half time came, the Salford supporters changed ends, and they and their side proceeded to batter us. The big difference is their supporters actually care - throughout the first half, our supporters were silent - it was pathetic, truly pathetic. Loyal and Loud? Honestly? Utterly embarrassing. Nobody is even bothered. To me, the vast majority of our fanbase see our games as a bit of a jolly, a laugh that isn't that important. Cheer when we score a try, not bothered what else happens. We can conceed 50 points yet some of the balloons that support our team will cheer the side when they sneak over in the corner when 30 points behind. But through the whole of the second half, the Salford supporters chanted like they meant it, and were a credit to the sport. Meanwhile, our lot sat there in silence.
I am trying not to mention the performance put in front of us but that is the worst I have seen in 13 years following this team. Literally 0 positives, apart from Lamont Bryan who looks interested. The rest of the team are pathetic. Special mentions go out to Clubb, Melling, Bolger, Wilkes and O'Callaghan (who is so out of his depth if is unbelieveable. In fact, Clubb deserves special praise for being absolutely useless. As if some people thought he deserved international honours. He is crap. Simple as that. He is a bloke with a bit of size who can't tackle and it wouldn't concern me if we lost him to the Skolars. Apologies for dissing a player from the South, I know they are seemingly untouchable.
Oh, and our top class signing Bibb - I have seen blokes slower and less overweight in the local kebab shop.
After enduring the second half capitulation, I enjoyed a beer with the Salford fans - again, passionate about Rugby League, enjoying their victory while the majority of our supporters either went home like little sheep to return next time, went drinking in the bar, or hung around to watch our utterly pathetic youth team. I was under the impression that this team was gods gift - apparently this is the only thing keeping our club afloat. Alas, they were useless, and got ripped apart. I left at half time, utterly despondant and at a new low. I had a couple of pints with my mates and got the train back to Sheffield. And now I am home.
One of the worst things tonight was seeing one of the only supporters that I have any time for in regards to this club failing to raise a smile after the game. It truly was that bad. If we had won I would have felt the same. We are the worst team in the league, and I am strugging to keep the faith.'"
I read your detailed post with mounting concern. You never once went to the toilet in all that time! That can't be good for you.
I will be there - with appropriate toilet breaks - on Saturday. I like the stoop, even when you nilled us a couple of years ago it was a good day bar the result.
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| Quote ="GiantJo"I read your detailed post with mounting concern. You never once went to the toilet in all that time! That can't be good for you.
I will be there - with appropriate toilet breaks - on Saturday. I like the stoop, even when you nilled us a couple of years ago it was a good day bar the result.'"
That has actually cheered me up slightly. I visited the toilet for the first time on the 13.09 South Western Trains service to Reading - I then had 2 visits at The Stoop, and one at the King's Arms IIRC.
With regards to next weeks game - I am very worried. I thought today was a banker, yet we got beat by bloody Salford. I fully expect your lot to put 40 points on us. I will be at the Cheltenham Festival on the Friday so hopefully I'll be in a good mood after a couple of winners and we'll pull off a shock
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"icon_lol.gif
That has actually cheered me up slightly. I visited the toilet for the first time on the 13.09 South Western Trains service to Reading - I then had 2 visits at The Stoop, and one at the King's Arms IIRC.
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Thanks DL. I will rest better tonight knowing your 'tubes' are working.
The Giants were once the leading exponents of playing badly over whole seasons. It can be turned around. (One year we lost ever game up to good friday then stuffed wakefield and went on to finish 5th!)
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| Quote ="GiantJo"Thanks DL. I will rest better tonight knowing your 'tubes' are working.
The Giants were once the leading exponents of playing badly over whole seasons. It can be turned around. (One year we lost ever game up to good friday then stuffed wakefield and went on to finish 5th!)'"
Your optimism pleases me.
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| Many tipsters in the RL papers had you down for the wooden spoon at the start of the season , and I think they may well be correct.
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| But take comfort in knowing that after all these shattering defeats we do have the best After Match Party !!!
Isn't it ironic that the club billed the 14th March as Funday on theior website
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"The big difference is their supporters actually care - throughout the first half, our supporters were silent. Nobody is even bothered. To me, the vast majority of our fanbase see our games as a bit of a jolly, a laugh that isn't that important. Cheer when we score a try, not bothered what else happens.
The majority of our supporters either went home like little sheep to return next time, went drinking in the bar, or hung around to watch our utterly pathetic youth team.'"
I'm not sure criticising the supporters we have left is all that constructive. And I think you take a far too pessimistic view in saying people don't care and view it as a jolly.
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| Same old juvenile views from Listy -
and when did you phone your mother for Mothers Day??
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| Quote ="dotti"Same old juvenile views from Listy -
and when did you phone your mother for Mothers Day??'"
Were you one of the clowns affected then I take it?
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| Quote ="PTB"I'm not sure criticising the supporters we have left is all that constructive. And I think you take a far too pessimistic view in saying people don't care and view it as a jolly.'"
Do you disagree? Did you sense any anger yesterday? I even saw a few people applauding the players after the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Has Listy got a mother or is he a Frankenstein from some dark tunnel between Sheffield and Maidstone. Think we need to know.
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| One of the things wrong with the team at the moment is that they're mentally weak. They lack concentration.
Rugby league is played with the mind as well as the body.
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| Is concentration not linked to fitness?
Sainst used to have a fitness sessions then do ball handling drills as part of there programme
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Do you disagree? Did you sense any anger yesterday? I even saw a few people applauding the players after the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
I did sense anger and heard some booing as well. Speaking to other fans I've yet to come across anyone who is not concerned.
Quote ="east stander"Is concentration not linked to fitness?'"
Correct. Your ability to execute skills is reduced when you're tired as well.
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| Yesterday was my first Quins Superleague match this year. I’d seen the Skolars & Melbourne games, both of which were too one-sided to really make any judgement as to whether we were back on track after the dismal final three months of last season.
I’m normally fairly positive and optimistic about our chances of winning games or ending a losing streak, but I went away feeling utterly deflated not just with our second half collapse but with our witless and unimaginative play during the long period when we were well on top. I can only recall Salford getting near our line twice in the first half, one of which resulted in their taking the lead completely against the run of play. We were camped closed to their line for long periods but seemed to be playing as if we had to score under the posts. There seemed to be little attempt to use the full width of the pitch. On more than one occasion we began a set of six not much more than ten yards from the line and a succession of players fruitlessly attempted to barge through a wall of defenders before we kicked on the last tackle.
Having finally got our noses in front we capitalised on a sin-binning with two further converted tries to go 18-4 up. At this point Salford looked almost gone. If we’d just held that margin for another five or ten minutes I think we’d have been home and dry, but within two minutes or so we conceded possession cheaply on the halfway line leading to a Salford try and suddenly they found the confidence and belief that they could go on to win. When they pulled it back to 18-16 with just under ten minutes to go it seemed only one team was likely to win, and it wasn’t us. We were throwing the ball around deep in our own half like it was a hand grenade. There was no composure, no direction, no leadership. At one point a bloke near me shouted in desperation: “Stop panicking!” We seemed to be in full-on Corporal Jones mode. What were our more experienced players doing at this point? Surely the likes of Orr, Randall, Williamson, Temata, Ward, Melling should be capable of glavanising the younger players to stop the wheels falling off so alarmingly like this? At least in the first half we looked like we had a strategy, albeit a rather dull and uninspiring one; now we suddenly looked clueless. By contrast a Salford team that had lost every game this year were prepared to get the ball wide with quick passing and offloading and use a bit of flair and imagination. It was humiliating to see them show us how to do it in this way, condemning us to replace them at the foot of the table in the process. The only time we showed similar attacking flair was in scoring our irrelevant final try with just a few seconds left on the clock. I went away feeling that our opponents had wanted the win more badly than our team.
I’ve never felt less enthusiastic about supporting Quins and I’ve never enjoyed watching the games less than over the second half of last season and up to now. Regardless of injuries, financial constraints, trying to use more local lads rather than Aussies etc., our performance was just so bloody dull and uninspiring against opponents who were there for the taking. A lot of supporters will accept dull attritional performances if they lead to an improvement in results, but when you’re losing most games it’s just awful to watch. I wish we could at least try to play some entertaining rugby in future even if we can’t win. I haven’t seen a crowd figure for yesterday but it must have been under 3,000 and there’s no way we’re likely to attract new support playing like that.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"The big difference is their supporters actually care - throughout the first half, our supporters were silent - it was pathetic, truly pathetic. Loyal and Loud? Honestly? Utterly embarrassing. Nobody is even bothered. Quote
Sitting in the middle I heard nothing but Quins supporters - not a peep out of those wonderful Salford supporters until the last 10 minutes. But that's the Stoop acoustics for you.
As for our supporters generally, I get a bit fed up of hearing how that we don't behave in the 'right' way, that we are not proper supporters, etc. I guess I am in the majority of fans of our club in that I am middle-aged (well into it actually
) and past the stage where belonging to a tribe is the be and end all in life. I like to think I've got a bit more perspective and there are far worse things in life than Quins playing poorly. Yes, I had a bit of a boo at the end of the match and had a big wobble as to whether I should go next week to watch that rubbish. But I'll probably end up going because at the end of the day it's about being able to watch the game in London and an empty stadium on Sky isn't going to help with that.
So, yes, I think I care - I want the club to do well and days like yesterday are no fun, but if I have to rant and rave and and rend my clothes to prove it, then I'm not that sort of person - and I refuse either to apologise for that or to stop attending games so the 'proper' supporters can see their behaviour as the norm.
And anyway, I could support Catalans who are doing just as badly with far higher expectations.
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| I felt exactly the same yesterday.
All the great work that is going on at the club is being undermined by the stuff on the pitch.
Something has got to change but I'm not sure what.
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| That's a good post with a number of excellently made points.
Quote ="Prince of Denmark"We were camped closed to their line for long periods but seemed to be playing as if we had to score under the posts. On more than one occasion we began a set of six not much more than ten yards from the line and a succession of players fruitlessly attempted to barge through a wall of defenders before we kicked on the last tackle.'"
This "attack" was embarrassing, like we didn't know any other way to score.
Quote ="Prince of Denmark"Having finally got our noses in front we capitalised on a sin-binning with two further converted tries to go 18-4 up. At this point Salford looked almost gone.'"
Agreed, losing after being 18-4 up at home against a team that up until that point hadn't won a game all season.
It's no longer fun anymore - is it? I go out of a sense of duty, but I haven't enjoyed it for quite some time. If I feel that way, then what are "floating voters" going to think? (I guess it is obvious though, isn't it, they simply don't come back).
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| PoD is right on the button. I don't know where this club goes from here. Will it survive till the end of its franchise?
Some random thoughts:
As for our attacking "tactics" yesterday, if we'd had 3 or 4 Tematas on the field, they would have been successful, but no more entertaining.
When we were at 18-4, I thought the match was won and I suspect that most of the team thought the same, with predictable results.
BTW, I thought Jeremy Smith had been sent off not just sin-binned. I suppose that CW announced it but the PA was inaudible except when the "crowd" was silent (which it understandably was for much of the time).
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| Quote ="BroncOnIon"PoD is right on the button. I don't know where this club goes from here. Will it survive till the end of its franchise?
Some random thoughts:
As for our attacking "tactics" yesterday, if we'd had 3 or 4 Tematas on the field, they would have been successful, but no more entertaining.
When we were at 18-4, I thought the match was won and I suspect that most of the team thought the same, with predictable results.
BTW, I thought Jeremy Smith had been sent off not just sin-binned. I suppose that CW announced it but the PA was inaudible except when the "crowd" was silent (which it understandably was for much of the time).'"
According to the RFL disciplinary list Smith has only been charged with the first half dig he had at Danny Orr
and not the one that led to his binning/sending off !!!????
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| Quote ="GiantJo"I read your detailed post with mounting concern. You never once went to the toilet in all that time! That can't be good for you.
I will be there - with appropriate toilet breaks - on Saturday. I like the stoop, even when you nilled us a couple of years ago it was a good day bar the result.'"
Can I just say, this comment is world class. I laughed out loud for a full twenty seconds upon reading it.
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