After that display- in a game we should have won and threw away. Thats the nail in the coffin for me- Brian has to go.

We have a Walters going begging.

I don't see that he can have gone bad in one season, he's the same coach that had you fired up for a top 4 finish at the start of the year, and it wasn't a fixture thing. You need a greater depth in squad, which will only come about as you become a more attractive prospect to players and get more money to invest.

Tony Rae was in the stands today hmmmm

It's obvious that our players demonstrated their capability to compete at the very highest level at the start of the season.

So can we please stop criticising our players? It really can't be their fault.

It's necessary to remember that Brian McDermott was the one who "slammed" his players in public not so long ago, and was quoted as saying he had no idea what to do.

At some point, the finger has to be pointed at the coach.

I'm sure Brian could change his coaching style and lighten-up if he wanted to, but there has to be some wish to improve.

Sorry but if players don't get the basics right, don't support their team mates in breaks etc etc then they will be criticised. I suspect most are honest enough to hold their hands up and say criticism is fair.

Realistically there's not much chance this is 100% Brian's issue or that it is 100% the players issue. The truth lies somewhere between and those of us sitting on the outside can only really guess what is going on. Hopefully the those in a position to influence things have a slightly better view............

McDermott has to be sacked. This is becoming embarrassing. This is the same team that started the season so well. It is not the players. Something has happened and it is 100% down to the coach, mentally perhaps rather than physically.

keeping Purdo and Orr fit is also key

Not making the 8 will be very embarrasing seeing how he was saying we could win the GF pre-season.

No, sack the BOARD or FIND NEW INVESTORS ....... who need to know the game and understand marketing.

keep the personal insults to yourself or get banned, the point can be made without them, Homer

Meantime think we should 'cull' about 1/3 of the 'senior' players - regardless of length of contract and put the remainder on basic money coupled to payment by results i.e. wins mean money, high table position means more money and tries and try assists get you more money.

As for yesterday's crowd ....... disgraceful ..... think the game might as well have been played on the next door pitch.

How depressing early Sunday morning to read these comments, yesterday was such a serious setback for Quins RL, when Louis scored the last try all we had to do was ride out the closing minutes, but how many times this season have we just thrown games away.

There has to be questions asked, we have good players, okay not enough depth, is it coaching? is it fitness? - what is the general feeling enthusiasm in the club itself and team which we never see?

For the first real time we seem to be losing a long battle in London, we started off and struggled, we seemed to peak in the Bronco days and since?

We seriously have to pick up our game if we even think we are going to get a licence, next season is just so important, but if we have not found an investor by now, not pulled in the crowds are we going to do, the one unfortunate thing is the way the amateur and school RL has developed and grown, but we as the Professional club have never seem able to turn those around to be supporters and become fans?

I think you'll find the board have been trying to find new investors for a fair while. If we sack the board we'll have no club the day after given our financial position. Strangely enough there isn't a huge queue of people looking to throw large sums of money down the plug hole that is professional RL in London. These ain't exactly the best of times economically either.

Release the players irrespective of contract length. Unless you can find a legal means of terminating their contract the only way to do that is to pay their contract up. If we do that how on earth do we afford replacements?

Low wages and high bonuses. I suspect we are already amongst the lowest payers in SL to be honest (with the exception of a few key players.) In theory this is a wonderful idea but in reality players offered two contracts will sign for the team who offer them higher basic pay. Given we already struggle to compete in the market, geographic reasons still cause a fair few targets to reject us even without money coming into it, moving to lower basic / high bonuses would cause even more problems. (I heard an interesting whisper yesterday that one SL team are currently struggling to recruit for next season - not us - as players offered contracts by them and anyone else are signing for the other team as there is a whisper going around RL players that said team has serious financial issues. Players talk to each other and if we are paying low word will soon go around try to avoid Quins.)

Mainly because ACT Brumbies have been on an end of season jaunt to France.

In a recent Interview (I believe in August 2009 RLW) David Hughes admitted Quins were towards the upper reaches of the salary cap.

Whilst the league position is not good we could after all be a Crusaders or Brudfud.

You also make a valid point regarding new or future investment in Quins RL.

As Crusaders Chief Executive admitted in a recent interview they are failing to achive their 4,500 gate "break even" target this season and are also on the hunt with RFL assistance for new investment. Hence their move to Newport RFC for next season



Your definitions of "know the game" and "marketing" are?? Do new investors need to know this?? Or to have the help of experienced professionals in these fields to help them make these decisons??



As has previously been pointed out by others there is a gap between those who play at the amatuer level and those being fans at the professional level. My own view is that it's not about turning the RL amatuers into Superleague paying punters it's about making inroads into the local population, ([iBorough of Richmond pop approx 180,000, Borough of Kingston pop approx 158,000, Borough of Hounslow pop approx 220,000[/i) making professional RL offordrable and accessible to a new viewing audience, some of which may be the RL amateurs.

What the amatuer game in the South can give us is a greater pool of potential professional playing talent. As anyone with an understanding of of the RLC (Rugby League Conference) will testify national league and superleague clubs are now recruiting both the adult and youth team players to their clubs.

The issues are not easy or quick to solve but as long as progress is being made and evidence of this can be shown to the licensing body at renewal time then Quins will remain a Super League side.

Again if supporters spoke with one voice they could work with the club to help ensure a superleague future for Quins RL, perhaps by targetting the half a million people who live in the Borough of Richmond the 2 adjoining boroughs........ to start with.

Keep the faith.

Do tell who, misery likes company!

Crusaders or someone else ?

Considering we lost Hill, Paul, McLinden etc. I shudder to think what we spent on Robinson and Williamson.

Hopefully, no where near what we were spending on thoughs 3.
We need another McLinden. Or the man himself back, if he's got back his fitness playing RU in Aus(highly doubt that)

told you that last season but i got slagged off for it,,,he wasnt even a great player and his coaching is even worse..

What relevance has his playing ability got to do with his coaching ability? Shall we start at the top teams in RL or football and go through each of the respective coach/managers playing ability- Potter, Ferguson for starters, Mclennan, Benetez..........

Alot of teams would be happy with BM as coach.
IMO, his tactics aren't great, his signings are to much 'for the future' as fans, we like building for the future but we want NOW as well.
His signings are strange, Lister said from the start, signing Dorn to replace Hill was a huge error as Orr seems to be injury prone. To late for all of this now. Whats done is done.

The trouble with recruiting from Australia has been the collapse of sterling against the Aussie Dollar. In October 2006, around the time that Scott Hill left the Storm, £100 bought AUD 250., currently £100 will buy AUD 185. Therefore you either spend more sterling to purchase to same level of Aussie goods and services, or you spend the same amount of sterling for a potentially inferior product.

I expect they are on decent money but don't think they would collect all of their money as they are really only defenders. I rate both of them highly and think they are doing a good job as defenders but they have not been signed to score tries.

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Quote ="zenon" Quote The trouble with recruiting from Australia has been the collapse of sterling against the Aussie Dollar. In October 2006, around the time that Scott Hill left the Storm, £100 bought AUD 250., currently £100 will buy AUD 185. '" '" AUD198.66 at the moment: newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/ ... efault.stm I do remember it being about 250 though, when I went there in 2004.

Quote ="BroncOnIon" Quote ="zenon" AUD198.66 at the moment: newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/ ... efault.stm I do remember it being about 250 though, when I went there in 2004.'" '" BBC is an inter bank rate, which you or I could not get for our holiday money. I was giving a comparison of the change in tourist rates, which as a regular visitor to Oz I am more familiar with. (This afternoon M&S are selling at 1.87 with no commission). Whatever historic rates are used, the fact is that Australian imports are 33% more expensive than they were three years ago - as I know by the cost of my NRL grand final ticket!

Quote ="BroncOnIon" Quote ="zenon" AUD198.66 at the moment: newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/ ... efault.stm I do remember it being about 250 though, when I went there in 2004.'" '" BBC is an inter bank rate, which you or I could not get for our holiday money. I was giving a comparison of the change in tourist rates, which as a regular visitor to Oz I am more familiar with. (This afternoon M&S are selling at 1.87 with no commission). Whatever historic rates are used, the fact is that Australian imports are 33% more expensive than they were three years ago - as I know by the cost of my NRL grand final ticket!