McDermott should walk IMO.

Thoughts?

Alternatively........if we get in the play-off`s, should Dave Lister walk??

Why not arrange a pole DL and see what the majority of posters think on these two questions

Is that a yes or a no?

Im gaining optimism from the fact the injury/absence situation can only get better. Howell one more game, Cougar back next week, Dorn due back, ditto Purdo. Orr, Hecks, Chad????

If we do make the 8 and get all our players back you would hope that they would be fresh and ready to go.

This time last year not many would have picked Leeds to win the GF. Im not suggesting we will but Im hoping we have a good shot at it.

All fair enough, but is that a yes or a no?

Come on DL.....no bodyswerve.....arrange a pole for the posters, something along the lines of all things considered, how the team and BM are performing, perceived progress or lack of etc etc

1. Should BM walk?

2. Should Dave Lister walk?

You can't do poles (sic) on here. Still swerving the initial question and your only reaction is a personal attack on me? I see. Typical BM apologist then who doesn't like the truth.

What on McDermott being given the push?

I think you have to take a number of factors into account such as-

Final position- vital
Injuries during the season
His standing in the club ie players and management
Future player development
Can he take the club further- strategy, ideas etc maybe through an interview with the board
The clubs owners aspirations- see the line above- do they dovetail
Club philosophy ie do we want a young English coach
His signings performances against what we let go- Mclinden etc

It's easy to have a go when you are down on your luck- No one was calling for his head when we put 60 past the Wire on what was a fantastic day

So in response to your question Im not in a position to answer.

So you would be happy with a coach that hasn't led us to the playoffs in 3 seasons? I can understand your points but as you say league position is vital, for the future of the club if nothing else. A constantly failing side isn't going to get anywhere.

Could the mods do a poll on this please?

Edited

Erm...

As I say I dont know enough.

Im with you 3 seasons without making the play offs would be a disappointment but!!!!!! the club may have a longer term plan ie last year we cleared out Hill, Mclinden, Rinaldi etc and have used more young English players this year. That will naturally take to time become successful if that is the plan.

Just a thought.

Listy-Im surprised you haven't contributed to this thread viewtopic.php?t=420541

Listy-Im surprised you haven't contributed to this thread viewtopic.php?t=420541

Quote ="wire-quin"Listy-Im surprised you haven't contributed to this thread viewtopic.php?t=420541'" Ha. I will later. I don't think our club can rely on "long term plans" at the moment. He has had 3 years to implement any sort of plan and we have got nowhere at all. Yes, you are right, more young English players have been introduced but if we are missing the playoffs are these players of the required standard. Was it BM who signed the players? Should he be blamed for our inadequate squad?

Quote ="wire-quin"Listy-Im surprised you haven't contributed to this thread viewtopic.php?t=420541'" Ha. I will later. I don't think our club can rely on "long term plans" at the moment. He has had 3 years to implement any sort of plan and we have got nowhere at all. Yes, you are right, more young English players have been introduced but if we are missing the playoffs are these players of the required standard. Was it BM who signed the players? Should he be blamed for our inadequate squad?

Remember all those people who used to come on here and tell us how if only the team was filled with British and more especially local players the crowds would come flooding in. Where are they now

Indeed. Fair enough, we have tried blooding a lot of local players, and have often being forced into it, but quite a few are falling a little short of the required standard. It would be silly to write them off after half a season I agree, but it will be interesting to see if they can step up.

I think we need a different strategy other than plundering the lower divisions. And the only way we will be able to attract half decent players will be if we are a team challenging for the playoffs and beyond.

We need to get a quality gamebreaker like Marty was at his peak. Unfortunately we dont have a quota spot I guess, so we have a problem. The club can produce athletes but your 'skill' players need to be taught from an early age and those 10/11 year olds who took up the game down here we have coming through are still about 2/3 years away from SL imo

Mac has done OK....nothing special, but not terrible either. A top 8 finish, especially after he told me twice that we would win the comp, is the minimum requirement and if we fail in this, then his position may well come under scrutiny. That said, I get the impression that DH is a big fan of the coach and I doubt he would ever either fire him or let him go without a fight.
If you look at the squad we have, I believe that Brian has done all he can with the talent at his disposal. Without the crowds, we don't have the cash to attract the big game players and I still believe that we need an average gate figure of 6,000+ before the funds become available.

Listy, I appreciate that your opinion is that the coach may be the problem, but who would be able to get more out of what we have? If you ask me, the problem isn't Mac........the problem is that DH won't spend speculate to accumilate and therefore, the club will never have the funds to get the players you believe will take us upwards and onwards.

and replace him with who!!!

I like Mac and think he is doing a good job with what he ahs to work with

You think he has done a good job to avoid the playoffs for the past 3 seasons? Tony Rea got slagged off on here on numerous occasions yet at least he got the club into the 6.

Why do you like him? Do you enjoy the tripe he comes out with after a defeat? Do you enjoy him seeing Mick Nanyn as a reasonable signing?

We need Marty back!!!

The problem for clubs in our position is, as Robbie Paul pointed out on the Super League Show a couple of weeks ago, lack of strength in depth and without more money it's difficult to see what can be done about this. Lack of cash is hardly BM's fault!


Oh God, I'll set GF off again, sorry everyone.

.......

been done to death and as much as some on here and elsewhere think I spout b0ll0x, it does go to show that there's a connection between on and off field performance with crowds directly influencing the quality of player we can afford (and attract).
Enough has been said (mostly by me) on this subject, so I'll leave it .........for now!

Explain Saints to us all then