Poor display and don't look to be interested. Worse the taps are going down the plug hole

Thought we were creeping back in until Howell got himself sent off. He's always had a nasty streak, but he could have picked a better moment. We had the scrum anyway.
Damage limitation now, not helped by some shady VR decisions.

Just leaving Wigan now. Thought we applied ourselves well in the second half against the odds. No lack of effort, for sure. Shame we didn't play like that from the off.

Shame about Howell and the defence at times.

Thought you guys did well to come back into the game after the first half, think it was a combination of us playing very well from the off and you guys being a bit shocked at the tempo of our game.

We also seemed to close down randal quite quickly and i think that didnt allow you to get any momentum within your sets.

David Howell was pretty disgusting imo, but Sam Tomkins is going to have to deal with things like that for a while, already the fourth or fifth time someone has had a swipe or similar this season.

Glad to see you guys having a decent season overall though, hopefully your streak won't continue for much longer and you can stay up near the top where you deserve so far.

Have to say in Howell's defence (if he can have one) his first contact was with the ball. For me no worse than Morley or Hock have been doing all season.

Didn't get ourselves into the game until about the time Howell had his mad moment. From then on in we had no chance. Sure we showed up strong near the end but Wigan had started to ease off anyway. We don't seem to have those players who can make those killing beaks and by going down to 12 men our lack of energy cells from players having to do too much made getting into the final quarter and threaten them almost impossible. Gale showed what he can do running at the line. Lets hope they work on getting him into those positions more often. After failing to hang on to the win last week this loss as well means the teams just outside the eight have another chance to gain 2 more points on us. Very disappointing. Am I the only one who would prefer O'Callaghan to Gardner. Jamie has the commitment we want to see and the lad has a bit of pace and an eye for the line.

biggest difference today between the teams today
basically enthusiasm!!
wigan line defence up in our faces very quickly, no room for us to work away from the ruck, whereas we simply waited for the attack to come to us!
Speed at the play the ball a big difference as well, pies players placing the ball as they gained there feet, where we were standing upright then bending to place the ball, took twice as long

VR decisions
Will Sharp very very close to the line, but probably correct decision!! just wish the same VR decision had been made at the stoop with the leeds try that was given despite a foot obviously in touch! ho hum
Second one, think close enough for it to be called knock on
Just annoying that they gave the one at the other end where the hand had come off the ball
BUT
well deserved win for pies


AS FOR HOWELL!!! hmmm moment of total madness, and deserved his red
as for the comment for LesT not seen either of those 2 players you mention do that sort of thing, straight elbow trying to break the blokes jaw!! Not the thing i want to see in the game
I reckon he will get 4 if not 5 game ban, and will not complain at that

And the other brother is gonna have to learn not to jump on people with his knees, not excusing what Howell did but the other Tomkins should have joined him.

I am as shocked as you.

As a neutral who also wants Quins to do well this season, I confess I was shocked by Howell's hit on Tomkins. I think I've got so used to Quins being a clean team - they used to be our closest rivals where clean play was concerned (not any longer since we have slid downhill in that department!) - that it was quite a shock to see the elbow. He could get a few games for that, which is not what you need.

One thing though that Quins have which I don't think any other team has in such quantity is resilience. You could have done with playing a ton better than you did in the first half but had you not had one player missing, with all the pressure that brings, your second half performance could have pulled you back into the game. But even so, your blokes just didn't give up even when they had two disallowed tries (one which should not have been). I thought Quins were amazing in the way they kept playing. And so fit to keep doing so with one man down.

I hope you get out of your dip soon and get back to winning ways.

PS: I think the Tomkins' brother's knee job might be picked up by the RFL. I hope so. He had no business doing that, whatever Howell did.

Let me clarify what I posted.
Howell did lead with his forearm with the intention of knocking the ball out, but rode up over the ball into Tomkins jaw. (have a look in slow motion frame by frame)
I still agree it deserved a red card, I don’t think he intended to make contact with the head.

hahaha you having a laugh i was sat bang in front were it happened an it was nt the ball he went for

not in a million years was he going for the ball mate, absolutely no intent but to nail tomkins.

Am i correct in thinking that the referee had already blown for a penalty? I'm sure i heard the whilstle but then things kicked off so quickly.

sorry les I am quins through and through
why would he try to elbow the bloke in the chest
Ok a moment of madness for the cocky little bugger
BUT
no excuse, as for the follow up by the wigan players there was an elbow in there as well to howell on the ground which i think could be followed up

still reckon 4-5 games, its gonna hurt us

terrible technique if you're using you're ELBOW to dislodge the ball



anyway , he wasn't going for the ball , i wanted quins to win the game tonight but there is no excusing that .... looking at a hefty ban

I thougt our team looked tired. We dropped a hell of a lot of ball. From the off a very weak Wigan team were getting over us in the contact.

We were dreadful. LMS went of after 16 mins having taken one hit up and didn't return until 60 odd minutes. He then dropped 2 simple passes.

Clubby was found wanting in the centre position. O'L break for there first try was Clubbys fault. He was marking space. Gafa soon went back to right centre & scored.

I think Mac should give them the weak off. Maybe get together Thu for a handling/tactics session. It makes me wonder if he has flogged them after the Wakey match. Something wasn't right from the KO.

A bad day at the office,

6 matches for Howell I suspect. His only defence will be no injury caused. Had he broke his jaw, well......

Out of interest was LMS playing tonight.

yes - LMS was dire

Sorry Les, you are bang wrong.

Shocking 'tackle' and he fully deserved a straight red. I expect a hefty fine and ban, and he'll be lucky with that.

Point was made that Randall was closed down an awful lot and I think this is true. It did give Gale a lot more time and creativity, but as people have intimated, we never really got going.

Hopefully BM will see what's wrong and fix it, but tonight was not a great performance. Too many of the 'big' players went missing and Wigan deserved the two, by some distance.

yep fairly sure Ganson had blown for a forward pass so to double compound Howells brain fart the pen got turned as well allowing a score, which at 14-6 broke us.

Looked poor as a team before the moment of madness. Complete idiot to use the elbow. Even if he had not connected the intent was there. Had to go. No problem with the refs decision though the game as a meaningful contest ended at that point. After that damge limitation was all that was left to do.

Assume the RFL will ban him for 6-8 matches and no doubt no action taken against those that rush 20 metres to have a go.

The Howell decision was correct, a moment of madness for a hot headed player. I just wonder what happened in the previous set when Howell made a break. It is ironic that we would have the first player to be sent off in SL this season. Thought that Sharp had a good game, may be he will get more space now that Howell is out. I thought that Roberts must have been offside for the Pryce try. I agree, give the guys a few days off to forget the last 3 games and hopefully regroup for Hudds and Catalans. I am not sure we will win again until Purdo is back. We need to get behind the boys next week big time and lift them if our play-off challenge is to be maintained. Gale has stood up well in an under performing side IMO.

Gale has played well particularly in defence, surprisingly. Although I will say I dont think he opens our game up enough- He plays the inside scissor pass time and time again taking our runner back into the traffic.

Sharpy went well and I thought Melling was OK. The forwards were poor, disappointingly.

It was a flat performance. I think we've hit [ithe wall [/ilike we did about this time last year. Injuries impact on smallish squads. The only positive I can get out of the current situation is Purdo, Robinson, Dorn, Howell!! will all be "rested" and fit come the play off time.

Some difficult games to come-Hudds, Catalans, Saints- Can we get anything out of these? We've certainly done it before.

Time for the fans to raise there voices and get behind our team. Bring on Hudds.(you cant condone what Howell did last night but given a choice I wished he had saved it for Masons nose-School yard bully)