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| Quote ="leedsleedsleeds"Gutterfax - Do you have a job?
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You assume we are one person.. .
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| But seriously, what do you do? Marketing? Did you work for the broncos at some point? As a latecomer to the party, I'd like to know. You seem to have the lowdown on what is happening. And when not gus bashing make some good points, (ill wait for the cowboy to make a comment along the lines of, gas needs bashing)
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| Quote ="gutterfax"You assume we are one person...'"
Taking a leaf out of the club's book & outsourcing eh?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"This is correct, whilst you have at least the advantage of 80, or possibly 160 minutes of observations to grant you the higher ground.
My "predictions" are based on the commentary and stats from our opening 2 games, the highlights reels from the seasons openers away and at home and from a personal assessment of how the Bulls squad are looking at present. The Loss to Castleford isn't looking too terrible and they won the first of their important games in the "mini-relegation-league" featuring London, Wakey, Bradford and Widnes.
You do not have to "be there" to be a fan and neither do you have to have a permanent optimistic grin stuck to your face to support this team. Because I have 0% faith in the new set up, especially when the villains from the past are still involved, you think that I have no idea of what is going on "on the park"? How very strange?
I suspect that London may well score first, giving a jittery Bulls a scare and making the small crowd get on the backs of the players......it's just that I think the Bulls will have a tad too much experience for our young squad and will pull away to win by 2 scores.
Rather than attempt (and fail) to ridicule my opinion, why not proffer your own. You do after all have "the advantage" on me!'"
Your 'predictions' are about on par with telling me what my best memories should and shouldn't be, as you were attempting to do on the VT. You have absolutely nothing to base these opinions on since you made this prediction before even seeing the team play. To add to this, you were thousands of miles away from The Hive on Saturday - take note of all those who had such a positive experience rather than making up nonsense about posters on this forum being happy with the low attendance and denouncing the whole thing yourself. Utterly pathetic.
I think we will lose by 30+ points against Bradford. The team/squad isn't ready and I do not believe we will be fully competitive in any fixture for a month at least.
I do not expect miracles - I am quite content with what is being attempted at present. I cannot do anything about it but I am delighted to be supporting a newly established side who have pride in the shirt. Having not been to a game last year, you really cannot comprehend the difference felt on Saturday, as has been noted by many posters on here. You can still support the club of course, but telling people how they should be feeling after their experience on Saturday when you weren't there yourself is embarrassing.
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| Quote (ill wait for the cowboy to make a comment along the lines of, gas needs bashing)'"
Should have said (ill wait for cowgirl to make a comment along the lines of, gus needs bashing)
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Your 'predictions' are about on par with telling me what my best memories should and shouldn't be, as you were attempting to do on the VT. '"
You were the one that said the 18-44 hammering at The Hive was the best day in memory....note, you didn't say recent memory, but just memory! I remember many days at the Stoop where you seemed pretty damned happy!
Quote ="Dave Lister"You have absolutely nothing to base these opinions on since you made this prediction before even seeing the team play. '"
I have addressed this in my earlier reply.....
Quote ="Dave Lister"To add to this, you were thousands of miles away from The Hive on Saturday - take note of all those who had such a positive experience rather than making up nonsense about posters on this forum being happy with the low attendance and denouncing the whole thing yourself. Utterly pathetic.'"
In the context of your claim that I have nothing to base my predictions on, this is an irrelevant piece of window dressing that has no part in this conversation. For the record, the only thing that is utterly pathetic is the 1,246 attendance and those trying to justify it with tales of smiling bar staff.
Quote ="Dave Lister"I think we will lose by 30+ points against Bradford. The team/squad isn't ready and I do not believe we will be fully competitive in any fixture for a month at least. '"
Good for you. That's the answer I was looking for. BTW, the season as a competitive entity and avoiding relegation is done and dusted by April 1st if we are sitting on nil points.
Quote ="Dave Lister"I do not expect miracles - I am quite content with what is being attempted at present. I cannot do anything about it but I am delighted to be supporting a newly established side who have pride in the shirt. Having not been to a game last year, you really cannot comprehend the difference felt on Saturday, as has been noted by many posters on here. You can still support the club of course, but telling people how they should be feeling after their experience on Saturday when you weren't there yourself is embarrassing.'"
This sums it up perfectly...well done you
Those who attended the Salford game were both relieved and happy because it was better than last year, both in the venue and the attitude of the players who never gave up......CONVIENEINTLY FORGETTING THE EVENTS THAT LED TO LAST YEAR BEING SO FUCKING TERRIBLE AND THAT FACT THAT THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM ARE STILL IN ATTENDANCE.
BTW, I didn't tell anyone how they should feel I simply commented that in my opinion, being content with a 1,246 attendance shows how far the villains of the piece have dragged down our expectations.
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at the risk of endlessly repeating myself, what is the point of your posts other to say - the squad is c***' the oner, CEO and in fact everything about the club is crap? finally us poor delusional "fans" are c***. but what is your point? none of us should go? let the club fold and dance on the grave just to get back at DH/Gus?
Please tell me - because every post is exactly the same and I really don't get it!
And just to remind you - I agree with 99.9% of what you have posted about marketing /Gus
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| Quote ="brian2"gutterfax
at the risk of endlessly repeating myself, what is the point of your posts other to say - the squad is c***' the oner, CEO and in fact everything about the club is crap? finally us poor delusional "fans" are c***. but what is your point? none of us should go? let the club fold and dance on the grave just to get back at DH/Gus?
Please tell me - because every post is exactly the same and I really don't get it!
And just to remind you - I agree with 99.9% of what you have posted about marketing /Gus'"
Re-read this thread from the start. I posted it because it is relevant to The forthcoming game at Odsal and I even dealt with an initial attempt to belittle my right to make a score prediction before the same poster then dragged a debate from another thread into this one. I have also started threads regarding the next 2 home games, as these are vital to the survival of the club in any form from Feb 2015 onwards.....no doubt, these too will drift, like the Salford one.....which got as far as page 9 before people started saying that the ground made our small crowds look better......sorry, but that us like a red rag to a bull. Accepting 1,246 and saying "it seemed bigger because the stadium is the size of a match box" is insanity....to which, the apologetic brigade all jumped on board and I defend my point of view.
It's not a question of repeating the woes of the club over and over again, but when faced with inane posts about the number of Barnet fans at the game, I feel it is valid to compare this with the first games back at the stoop or at Griffin Park...I then get attacked for being negative, when in reality, it is the FACTS that are negative. 1,246 is a disgrace, but as there are no consequences for failure at the club, them having being totally removed from anyone in the recent move, nobody really cares. They should, but they don't.
I fail to see why I need to change my style or content of posts?
A forum moderator felt the need to post that they had been inundated with requests from other posters to ban me, but themselves haven't even issued me with a warning? Why is that?
Could it be that I haven't broken the rules?
Another poster has gone on record as to saying that my negativity is going to cause Hughes to walk and the Hive experiment to fail, before whining like a bitch about the moderators banning me.
To make myself clear, I support the team, want them to avoid the drop and to prosper at the Hive in front of growing crowds who in turn attract sponsors, corporates an ultimately investors. If people don't post inane bollox about how nice it is to be served a 1.80 coffee with a smile or how much better a stadium the hive is when compared to the Stoop, I'll avoid reminding them of exactly how far up creek we are and how e got there. If people stop saying "we've ha a short time to build a team" then I won't remind them what caused that.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"how nice it is to be served a 1.80 coffee '"
Coffee is £ 1.50.
Maybe the other 30 pence is pieces of silver?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I make them all up!'"
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| For my sins I'm going to the game. Prospects have to be focused on improvement. Scoring more and conceding less. Completing the good moves they are starting to play. Learning and improving are everything. If this game was three weeks away I think we'd win, but not sure we're quite there yet. However up to the players to deliver. Support the team, the club as a whole has a lot more to learn before it gets the support.
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| Quote ="Southern Reiver"Scoring more and conceding less.'"
How Powell got the job ahead of you I'll never understand
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| Quote ="gutterfax"To make myself clear, I support the team, want them to avoid the drop and to prosper at the Hive in front of growing crowds who in turn attract sponsors, corporates an ultimately investors.'"
And nobody disagrees with that.
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And some might find % Statistics regarding ups and downs in crowds, win ratios in years gone by just as inane. It does not make any of it wrong. I think most have the idea and understanding. Very few if any disagree with the historical perspective about how we got here. As an analogy, having fallen down the well most people try to work out how to get out rather than spending their time on the reason for ending up there. Once your out of the well you can ensure you don't fall down it again.
Quote ="gutterfax"If people stop saying "we've ha a short time to build a team" then I won't remind them what caused that.'"
We know who and why, and the issue is to what end. The fact is the team is thrown together and that's the perspective we have to work from. And what is the solution? You've gone "WTF" previously, but some have suggested a Supporters Trust to try to take more of a role in influencing decisions in the club. With your background do you not see a role you could play to support this initiative to ensure it is successful?
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| Back on Thread.....
Still say Bradford by 8 and a crowd of 7,300
Listy says Bradford by 30 and I daren't ask what crowd he thinks...
What say ye all?
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| Hmmm...seems there might not even be a game
With the breakdown between the RFL and the Moore led trio looking beyond repair with both side issuing "curt" statements, I can't see a silver lining for the Bulls in the short term.
The will be on half money this year from the central pot, starting at a 6 point disadvantage and in all probability, will need to do what we and Wakey have done to our squads, and cut back to the bones. This means they are hardly an interesting proposition to a potential investor as they will surely be relegated along with either us or Wakey.
The only hope I can see for them is if they find a benefactor and quickly, or they will end up in liquidation and dropping down to the foot of the RL pyramid.
As it stands, the players and remaining staff will now not know who it is they work for or who will pay them, if they are to be paid at all.....very messy indeed.
London by 10 (if I am allowed to change my prediction)...coyb
Ref is Mr T Roby BTW....
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| It's not often we get to play a club that's in an even worse mess than us - ENJOY
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| Im nervous about 2 things. The size of the Odsal pitch and the wounded, angry Bulls players. Our defence was good for large spells but Salford found gaps quite easily in some periods on the small Hive pitch.
If we can't tighten up our defence for the full 80 we'll lose by 20-30 points.
I predict 28-12 to the wounded and angry Bulls.
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| In 'The Times' this morning, Christopher Irvine has cast doubts as to whether the game will go ahead - happy chappy, isn't he?
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"In 'The Times' this morning, Christopher Irvine has cast doubts as to whether the game will go ahead - happy chappy, isn't he?'"
The Broncos should refuse any request to cancel the game and turn up at Odsal. If Bradford cannot raise a team, or don't have insurance, or whatever else, and they do not take to the field or the doors are locked, then they forfeit the game and we should be awarded the points.
None of the northern clubs like us, none of them want us in their league, sod 'em! It's 'dog eat dog' this season I'm afraid.
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| I felt that Bradford, Wakefield and Castleford would be amongst the bottom four whilst Widnes and Catalans would also miss out on the play-offs this time out. Not much has changed my mind... I don't see any of the names I mention finishing above the two Hull clubs and Salford who I suspect will be the 6th to 8th clubs.
Given that Bradford are missing their best two halfbacks in Jarrod Sammut and Lee Gaskell plus theiir best Prop Garreth Carvell and have just gone through yet another morale sapping episode you wonder how much of a reaction there will be on Saturday. There are only so many times you can create an artificial emotional high and the big pre-season thrashing to Castleford suggested that morale may not be that high.
I'll be going and let us hope for an improved performance again.
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| Well they are fighting for their jobs Mark which is a big motivation. This has probably come a few weeks too soon so im hoping we get lucky although if its a big improvement on Salford game i'll be happy. I would love to see Greenwood Duckworth and Dollapi back though and Farrar to get some gametime whatever the score.
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