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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"I know no-one is suggesting this happen yet but if it does go further I'd suggest checking out the law specifically passed around the Olympics. Part of the T&C's of hosting the Olympics are that the Olympic authorities are granted all sorts of powers, some breaks on the rules around movement of money and tax, right to guarantee entry to the host nation for any accredited officials even if they wouldn't normally be allowed in etc. A lot of this is to prevent guerilla marketing due to previous work by Nike etc. A suitable law has been passed by Parliament. It was little commented on by the media but has some incredibly illiberal aspects. Whilst it is clearly aimed at the likes of Nike and not London Broncos it would have to be looked at prior to any attempt to market around an Olympics event as getting volunteers nicked won't go down well.
As an aside if you live in an Olympics area I believe that someone, games officials I think but could be wrong, has been granted the power to enter your house and remove posters publicly displayed in your windows etc for the duration of the games. Just in case a non sponsor manages to get posters put up all on the marathon route or some such. Nice eh.'"
Buck and Dusty being arrested could make for good publicity
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"I know it's not the job of the supporter, but if it ain't being done, who else is gonna do it?'"
Sounds like something that was done before and tried again only for the club to declare the volunteers were surplus to requirements.
If I were in London, I would no longer offer my services to the club in any way shape or form free of charge. I believe there are other people who previously volunteered who feel the same (apologies to those that don't).
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Sounds like something that was done before and tried again only for the club to declare the volunteers were surplus to requirements.
If I were in London, I would no longer offer my services to the club in any way shape or form free of charge. I believe there are other people who previously volunteered who feel the same (apologies to those that don't).'"
This isn't a scientific poll mate but my gut feel is that in those circumstances you would be in a minority.
I don't know Gus, have never dealt with him, and have no idea about his agenda, but, if he wanted to bring the dwindling supporter base back onside he could do worse than rengender the concept of supporters assisting the club, and under the right circumstances I believe he would succeed and supporters would rally round. Nic managed it, the club at that time needed it, and in general for the seasons at GP it worked.
It's not a supporters club that is needed, as there are always considerations such as membership, leadership, and direction required and that would be driven by on field cirumstances right now, it needs a group of people, with talents to offer, to sit with Gus for a high level kick off, and see what could be offered, and what the club would want, simply to allow the club to operate on a wider level within the resources it pays for, and those it could leverage from people who care.
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| Quote ="Homer"This isn't a scientific poll mate but my gut feel is that in those circumstances you would be in a minority.
I don't know Gus, have never dealt with him, and have no idea about his agenda, but, if he wanted to bring the dwindling supporter base back onside he could do worse than rengender the concept of supporters assisting the club, and under the right circumstances I believe he would succeed and supporters would rally round. Nic managed it, the club at that time needed it, and in general for the seasons at GP it worked.
It's not a supporters club that is needed, as there are always considerations such as membership, leadership, and direction required and that would be driven by on field cirumstances right now, it needs a group of people, with talents to offer, to sit with Gus for a high level kick off, and see what could be offered, and what the club would want, simply to allow the club to operate on a wider level within the resources it pays for, and those it could leverage from people who care.'"
I have been there and done that on 4 different occasions at the Stoop since 2006......each time I met with a representative of the RFL and every time we agreed on certain "actions" and "campaigns" that were designed to increase immediate attendances and raise funds for development of younger players.....
....they were typed up, submitted to the RFL contact and taken back to the club....where they died.
Not one of the discussed proposals would have cost more than 500 quid and would have involved using assets the club already had and volunteers....they involved buy in from the club and no shortage of hard work, but both the RFL and I believed they would work......
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Sounds like something that was done before and tried again only for the club to declare the volunteers were surplus to requirements.
If I were in London, I would no longer offer my services to the club in any way shape or form free of charge. I believe there are other people who previously volunteered who feel the same (apologies to those that don't).'"
Yes. We know what's happened before. This isn't about the past. People who want to help, can but try again. This thread is about potentially helping, so why are you telling us how YOU won't be helping? This isn't about you, it's about something far more important.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster" This isn't about you, it's about something far more important.'"
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Yes. We know what's happened before. This isn't about the past. People who want to help, can but try again. This thread is about potentially helping, so why are you telling us how YOU won't be helping? This isn't about you, it's about something far more important.'"
It has never been about me RB.......contrary to popular belief!
I have posted literally hundreds of Ideas that all cost next to nothing when it comes to marketing the club, as well as meeting with them and the RFL to try and figure out ways to boost interest, but because I comment on your post of another "call to arms", I am admonished for pointing out past failings in this area?
So far, we've had leaflet Olympic events.....OUTSTANDING STUFF
Get a grip RB......no amount of community spirit is going to help the club this time......less than 140 "guests" have been brought to 5 games as part of the ST offer.......there is an overall feeling of apathy and tiredness surrounding the fans (check out the facebook page.....not 1 positive comment). The Perth Reds have about 8 times as many members as we have ST holders.....and attendances are currently the worst since ESL started.
This is not the London Broncos of Charlton, or Stoop 1, or Griffin Park......this the London Broncos shaped around the business model of Harlequins Rugby League...where there is a barrier between the players and the fans and where there is no need for "volunteers".
Take off the rose tinted specs.....stop looking at Olympic games associated campaigns as being the answer.
I repeat, it was never about me RB......if it was about me, I would chane charged from day 1.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"eusa_clap.gif'"
It would seem that you think it's all about me as well. What solution do you have that the newly formed but still unwanted and undervalued volunteer group could help with?
PR? Brilliant....let's get a load of lovies in Golden Square to sit around and ponder why nobody wants to come and watch big gruff men run around a muddy pitch....that'll have them flocking in
Quote ="Rooster Booster"As there are so many good hearted people on here who have done it in the past. Is it worth a go?'"
You asked the question.......all you got was a "let's leaflet the Olympic Games" and "I wish I was still in London with my PR buddies" before someone correctly pointed out that the Olympics was a no no.....
I on the other hand explained what happened on a few previous occasions and was slammed for it.......
I get it RB........you don't like my constant marketing posts or your perception of my arrogance, but I never made any money for me or my clients for being a shrinking violet.
Notice....I said ME or my clients......more self importance.....will it ever end
Good luck with getting the volunteers reformed.
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| I ask a question of people back home, you come on from New Zealand and point how it hasn't worked in the past. You point out that volunteers from the past won't help. Your negativity is astounding. [iNo amount of community spirit is ever going to help the club this time.[/i People back home can try if they want. As I said already [i"why are you telling us how YOU won't be helping"[/i
No-one is overly happy. But only one person comes on here and continually points out how shıt everything is, continually from all aspects of the club. It's relentless.
You even mock fans' suggestions about Olympics after they realise it was a no-go. Or someone mentioning PR. But you still mock with your sarcasm. Also as you can see I never mentioned the Olympics, nor have I suggested THE answer. That was put out there for the fans and the supporters to chose. I believe door drops and leaflets is actually one of your own suggestions. Is it that bad now?
If people back home volunteered and anything they tried worked, would that make you happy? I reckon it would as it would me.
And you finish your repost with another sarcastic comment about "good luck" getting the volunteers reformed.
[iHope is that thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops... at all. ~Emily Dickinson[/i
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| Okay forget the Olympics idea,no point in trying to help the club.As a side note, I took a work colleague to the last home game,she loved it and asked when the next home game was.I told her she could go but I probably wouldn't.
The club is going downhil fast.The ground is like a morgue on match days.Iagree we need a winning team to help build things up again.
I am a gardener by trade so if anyone wants any flowers and bulbs and needs them planted by the roadside let me know.Probably a better idea than leafletting thousands of people anyway.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"I ask a question of people back home, you come on from New Zealand and point how it hasn't worked in the past. '"
Re-title the thread then.....I didn't know it hard borders
Quote ="Rooster Booster"You point out that volunteers from the past won't help. Your negativity is astounding. '"
If you'd asked what would happen if the German people were to elect a neo nazi leader who decided to invade Poland......I'd tell you that wasn't going to end well either.
Quote ="Rooster Booster"[iNo amount of community spirit is ever going to help the club this time.[/i People back home can try if they want. As I said already [i"why are you telling us how YOU won't be helping"[/i'"
Hey, by all means muster the troops...Tell you what, when your knitting circle gets together and makes a poster using crayons and distributes it to the thousands of Twickenham homes using the London RL pixies, I will applaud when it brings in a 5k + crowd to the Widnes game in June 9th......until then, I will be as negative as I please...it comes with the territory.
Quote ="Rooster Booster"No-one is overly happy. But only one person comes on here and continually points out how shıt everything is, continually from all aspects of the club. It's relentless.'"
And you're the self appointed jolly police right? Do me a favour......I have actually got off my harris and done stuff for the club and am perfectly placed to observe where the mistakes are being made.......it's not negativity...it's business advice and if the club don't like it, they won't act on it. God knows they've had over 10 years of ignoring me and look how that's panned out
Quote ="Rooster Booster"You even mock fans' suggestions about Olympics after they realise it was a no-go. Or someone mentioning PR. But you still mock with your sarcasm. '"
Google "flowers on a round-a-bout" and then grow a set
I didn't go as hard as I could have with regard to the Olympic idea....I could have. Same as your concept for a fan-designed poster for marketing a professional RL club, it was a stupid and ill thought out concept....I mocked nothing.
Quote ="Rooster Booster"Also as you can see I never mentioned the Olympics, nor have I suggested THE answer. That was put out there for the fans and the supporters to chose.'"
The supporters chose? Are you on some sort of election campaign? It was suggested and after 2 more posts, it was blown out of the water......
Quote ="Rooster Booster" I believe door drops and leaflets is actually one of your own suggestions. Is it that bad now?'"
Nope.....it just needs to be done scientifically, not with a bag of crayola crayons and a few random street targeted....
Quote ="Rooster Booster"If people back home volunteered and anything they tried worked, would that make you happy?'"
As I said, I would cheer the loudest if ANYTHING WAS DONE BY ANYONE to make the attendances pick up....
Quote ="Rooster Booster" I reckon it would as it would me.'"
Good for you
Quote ="Rooster Booster"And you finish your repost with another sarcastic comment about "good luck" getting the volunteers reformed. '"
Hey.....you're the one who started this...all I did was warn you of the errors made previously....you didn't like my post, so attacked me......if you can't take criticism, don't be so fast to judge me and my reasoning.
Quote ="Rooster Booster"[iHope is that thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops... at all. ~Emily Dickinson[/i'"
Er.......OK
Here's another quotation that has no relevance to the thread either....
Quote [iqui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent ~Benjamin Franklin[/i'"
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"I read on here how incredibly peeved everyone is at the mo. The club have or haven't done this and that, the players, the coach, the marketing etc. It all sounds rather depressing.
Is there a chance that a few of you could get together and come up with something to help implement the things mentioned like door drops and other bits that can be marketed around locally as suggested. Then when the happy few have got together and come up with ideas or designs, let the club know their intention and the offering of voluntary marketing. As there are so many good hearted people on here who have done it in the past. Is it worth a go? Anyone can design a leaflet. Printing it is what costs. The club can literally pay for the ink if someone was willing to print out hundreds of colour copies on a decent home printer. You could even get 3 up on an A4 and print it front and back. Then just cut them out later.
If the club are doing nish, maybe others could step up and present to them what they would like to do?
I know it's not the job of the supporter, but if it ain't being done, who else is gonna do it?'"
The club don't want volunteer help or sponsor money from fans.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"The club don't want volunteer help or sponsor money from fans.'"
Blimey. Don't they even do the player sponsorship like they used to?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"gutterfax talking'"
Keep it up fella.
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| They do have player sponsorships, but they are very expensive for the average RL fan (think they start from £450 to about £850). You aren't guaranteed an end of season awards night either.
We used to have an individual try sponsorship which was quite popular (so they chose to stop doing it).
PS. Would think you could probably sponsor a few of our players for about £15 now!
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"They do have player sponsorships, but they are very expensive for the average RL fan (think they start from £450 to about £850). You aren't guaranteed an end of season awards night either.
We used to have an individual try sponsorship which was quite popular (so they chose to stop doing it).
PS. Would think you could probably sponsor a few of our players for about £15 now!
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Individual player prices have always been pretty steep for supporters, hence why this forum always used to get together and sponsor players as a group, think we did that for around 6 seasons, but also in the SAG days they got a bit more switched on to things like try sponsors and other lower cost level sponsorships which helped.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Keep it up fella.'"
Hope you didn't bother to read his post.
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| Quote ="SurreyBronco"Okay forget the Olympics idea,no point in trying to help the club.<snip>
I am a gardener by trade so if anyone wants any flowers and bulbs and needs them planted by the roadside let me know.Probably a better idea than leafletting thousands of people anyway.
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1. Using the Olympic Events for Club Marketing idea is illegal....stick to your herbaceous border's
2. I never suggested roadside or round-a-bout flowers BTW.....but instead, sponsorship of Twickenham station. BTW....What flowers would represent the current clubs colours?
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So far, we have RB suggesting something the club have done away with and gone on record as saying they have no interest in and jbuzza popping in from time to time to stir the pot. In between someone suggested illegal marketing....all in all, a top drawer thread
Between the pair of you, you have suggested not one thing that is either new or inventive, but instead, have spent 1 page of a 3 page thread having a pop at me for pointing out where previous attempts at this have gone wrong.
Others have said the club aren't interested, but Gutterfax is an easy target.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"1. Using the Olympic Events for Club Marketing idea is illegal....stick to your herbaceous border's
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So far, we have RB suggesting something the club have done away with and gone on record as saying they have no interest in and jbuzza popping in from time to time to stir the pot. In between someone suggested illegal marketing....all in all, a top drawer thread
Between the pair of you, you have suggested not one thing that is either new or inventive, but instead, have spent 1 page of a 3 page thread having a pop at me for pointing out where previous attempts at this have gone wrong.
Others have said the club aren't interested, but Gutterfax is an easy target.'"
Unbelievable. I was asking if people could try and restart something the club have done away with in the past. That is all. The intention was positive. We all know they didn't want help in the past, but that doesn't mean the question can't be asked again.
Now read this line again.
[ihelp implement the things mentioned like door drops and other bits that can be marketed around locally as suggested[/i
Do you realise that I was referring to YOUR suggestions!
You then come on talking about you and what you wouldn't be doing and how you wouldn't be offering your services, gratis. You believe this is all about having a pop at you. Yet all that was said to you is that this isn't about you. You continue to go on about it being a waste of time. Yet I was talking about one of your suggestions.
You follow this up by even suggesting that the club are in the toilet because they haven't listened to you [iGod knows they've had over 10 years of ignoring me and look how that's panned out[/i
Do you think you are alone, when you say this?
[iI have actually got off my harris and done stuff for the club[/i
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| Quote ="Homer"Individual player prices have always been pretty steep for supporters, hence why this forum always used to get together and sponsor players as a group, think we did that for around 6 seasons, but also in the SAG days they got a bit more switched on to things like try sponsors and other lower cost level sponsorships which helped.'"
Sponsoring players was a way of really feeling a connection not only to the club, but the team also. Though I think back in the day it used to only cost about 100-200 odd quid. 400-800 odd sounds like it may be priced out too much. But like you say, between 8 of you... though I'd hate to see the fight over who gets the jersey.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"... though I'd hate to see the fight over who gets the jersey.'"
It's a players shirt.....not many on here could squeeze into a players shirt
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"You follow this up by even suggesting that the club are in the toilet because they haven't listened to you [iGod knows they've had over 10 years of ignoring me and look how that's panned out[/i'"
What we do know for a fact is that every other marketing ploy implemented by the club HASN'T worked, but even my arrogance has it's limits, so all I will say is that "we'll never know"
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Do you think you are alone, when you say this?
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I'll leave it be now. See you on the NRL forum where I agree with you a lot of the time.'"
It is so easy to feel there is only "me" helping the club, and having that attitude, we can all be guilty at times, but there must be many of us! who have and do everything we possibly can to assist the club. I sponsored 6 players shirts and various match balls, and also supported the academy side with sponsorship, in the early days there was a great response to any contact and several ideas were taken up and several contacts connected with the club, but that seemed to disappear around 4 years back, why I don't know?
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