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| Quote ="Snoopy"Doesn't it occur to you there are clearly reasons WHY what is happening is not being put in the public arena at the present moment?
Also i can assure you that many supporters like myself will call it a day if the Broncos go under. I have no interest in watching amateur RL.'"
I commend you for holding onto this hope but to me it seems like many, many times in the recent past of the BroncQuins when promises were made by the club and almost all were non existent. I wouldn't hold your breath for a quick outcome, it took the club long enough to change their name and have an announcement regarding that, it took them ages to say they were leaving the Stoop with no actual plan to what would happen next and now this.
Do you really think that Barnet is the best option for the club? They've had a manager for a year who hasn't earned a penny and who doesn't turn up for away games for a start. They're not the richest club or have the richest owners and that will reflect if the board at Barnet join the board at the Broncos. Any investment is welcomed but I can't see it changing anything at the club.
You may well not have an interest but many Broncos fans do watch Skolars now and I'm sure many would want to feed the bug of watching live Rugby League by watching Skolars occasionally. It was a tongue in cheek comment by the way.
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| Quote ="Moe Lester"I commend you for holding onto this hope but to me it seems like many, many times in the recent past of the BroncQuins when promises were made by the club and almost all were non existent. I wouldn't hold your breath for a quick outcome, it took the club long enough to change their name and have an announcement regarding that, it took them ages to say they were leaving the Stoop with no actual plan to what would happen next and now this.
Do you really think that Barnet is the best option for the club? They've had a manager for a year who hasn't earned a penny and who doesn't turn up for away games for a start. They're not the richest club or have the richest owners and that will reflect if the board at Barnet join the board at the Broncos. Any investment is welcomed but I can't see it changing anything at the club.
You may well not have an interest but many Broncos fans do watch Skolars now and I'm sure many would want to feed the bug of watching live Rugby League by watching Skolars occasionally. It was a tongue in cheek comment by the way.'"
I'm also like Snoopy, I also believe there is a lot of hard and difficult work being done behind the scenes to ensure the London Broncos continue, nothing happens overnight, and as I keep saying it may come down to the RFL AGM which comes up in around 10 days time
No one is saying that Barnet is the ideal option, but what is the perfect venue and area for us to be based in London? Who is the ideal backer? Khan is soon getting out at Bradford, if success does not come his way how long will Dr Koukash stay in the game. Very few investors are in it for the good of the game, those days are way gone, when a local businessman was a director, especially in football.
If the Broncos do go under then that is it with rugby league for me, yes I may watch it on TV, but no longer follow a club or spend the money I do at present putting it into the game I was born into. If many London Broncos fans have turned to the Skolars, that must mean they have lost fans as attendances do not increase that much.
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| Quote ="jaybs"I'm also like Snoopy, I also believe there is a lot of hard and difficult work being done behind the scenes to ensure the London Broncos continue, nothing happens overnight, and as I keep saying it may come down to the RFL AGM which comes up in around 10 days time'"
The club announced many months ago it would leave the Stoop and has had many months to put arrangements in place. At no stage have the club engaged the fans in this process. We have no ground, no players and very few fans. If anything does come out of this process I hope it is with new management as the current CEO has been an abject failure.
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| I'm sure that there's stuff going on and that much of it is subject to commercial confidence and so cannot be publicised. But that does not justify more than 3 weeks of total silence.
A weekly news item assuring us that negotiations are continuing, possibly with some indication of a likely date for a conclusion, is the least that can be expected. No doubt some on here would then complain that no new information had been provided. But at least a weekly no-news would convey the information that the club is alive and working towards a future and is aware that some supporters are still interested..
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| Quote ="jbuzza"The club announced many months ago it would leave the Stoop and has had many months to put arrangements in place. At no stage have the club engaged the fans in this process. We have no ground, no players and very few fans. If anything does come out of this process I hope it is with new management as the current CEO has been an abject failure.'"
Yes we know, but did we not search first at various grounds, before it was clear that the club was most likely going to be sold, and that it had to be debt free. Discussions like that just don't happen overnight, look what buying a house is like, you say yes, and then with legal people involved it can take at least a few months, and there are no staff involved with a purchase like that and clearing debts first. Then finally the RFL!
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| For heavens sake Jaybs stop talking the situation up as though it were some sort of mega business deal.......selling the club would suggest we have assets, but for the life of me I cannot think what they could be or that it would amount to much. If I remember correctly at the last fans forum I attended, DH said that he had offered the club to Harlequins for £1.00, but they were not interested, so that sort of provides a context. As for debts, DH has always picked up the tab for our funding and operational costs and again he has said more than once that although we are short on resources, due to his generosity we remain debt free. All we have is a holding statement saying that negotiations continue in relation to a new playing venue and possible investor, that's it, nothing more.
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| Quote ="Under the sticks"For heavens sake Jaybs stop talking the situation up as though it were some sort of mega business deal.
All we have is a holding statement saying that negotiations continue in relation to a new playing venue and possible investor, that's it, nothing more.'"
It is a business deal, and any newcomer needs to know what they are taking on, "due diligence" to what costs have been in the past, and looking to cut out cloth right. If it was simple as you want to make it out then why don't you take over the club?
It be now down to the RFL situation, but they may have instructed the club to say nothing until after the RFL AGM. I can't see the point of keep issuing updates if little can be said.
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| To take over the club you need to have money to run it, I don`t so that counts me out.
`Due Diligence`......hey we are non Man United......I would have thought (and I am being generous here) that any accountant and solicitor worth their salt could have accomplished that within a week. Remind me of how long this sage has been going on for.
I see you could not resist another little bit of guesswork i.e. the RFL `may` have instructed the club etc`........
I give up.
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| Quote There needs to be open honest dialogue between the club and the fan base'"
Why? Im not a shareholder nor are you.
Do Tescos engage with the community when raising the price of beans.
The only thing you can do is buy tickets or dont buy them. You are just a paying fan like the rest of us. Know your place.
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| There is categorically no excuse for not communicating with the fans in any way for this length of time.
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| Quote ="Under the sticks"
I see you could not resist another little bit of guesswork i.e. the RFL `may` have instructed the club etc`........
I give up.'"
Well I don't! and I know that the Club were not impressed at all with a statement made by The RFL about the club, without any discussion with them at all, that is how the RFL seems to run the game today, I always thought the staff of the RFL served the member clubs who own the game, not these days, and Yes I do get angry about it.
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| have to agree with wire quin! The club do not have any obligation to tell us anything, we either turn up on game day and buy tickets or we don't simple as that.
How the club is run is up to the club, we are the fans of the blokes on the pitch we actually have no say in the running of the club
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"have to agree with wire quin! The club do not have any obligation to tell us anything, we either turn up on game day and buy tickets or we don't simple as that.
How the club is run is up to the club, we are the fans of the blokes on the pitch we actually have no say in the running of the club'"
No obligation but they certainly have an interest in keeping fans informed. Tescos have customers, sports clubs have fans. It is best to treat fans well lest they become mere customers.
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| not disagreeing with that either, it might be sensible to keep the fans in the loop as to what is happening especially with the situation we are in with not knowing where we might be playing.
But the fact still remains, the club have no obligation to tell us what they are doing, the product that they provide on the pitch is what its all about, how they do it is up to them, not us
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| Quote ="wire quin"Why? Im not a shareholder nor are you.
Do Tescos engage with the community when raising the price of beans.
The only thing you can do is buy tickets or dont buy them. You are just a paying fan like the rest of us. Know your place.'" Twice in the past month my local Tesco Metro has had a woman with a clipboard stationed near the exit doors, polling customer opinions. Tesco know their place and a pretty successful, though unlikeable, one it is too. They also know quite a lot about their customers.
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| I will never make accusations against such as The RFL, which some here don't seem to like, unless I am aware of facts. I have had eye of a document sent out prior to the RFL AGS on Wednesday 9th October "Policy ReviewWhole Sport Solution" and it reads more like an edict from CEO Nigel Woods.
Talking about changes to the salary cap to retain star players, which I support, but I am strongly against sharing costly Academy Teams and reducing the league to ten clubs, yes it may be supported by the likes of Wigan, Warrington, Leeds and St Helens, a real were all right jack attitude. The academy system was supposed to be the way to develop players of a higher standard in preparation for signing professional, not limiting it to select clubs.
With regards the 12 team two league Super League with straight promotion & relegation, it is said it is not a serious option, so Nigel gets his way with 12 team leagues playing 23 games and then breaking into three leagues?
It is clear it is a strict No to Super League Clubs forming a Premiership status (I thought they had Super League Europe) Nigel wants all the power, which he will get offering little carrots to the lower leagues to back him.
Nigel has also had enough of having to intervene or bail out clubs, and what is a total joke, find owners for ailing Super League Clubs.
The RFL should be there to administrate rugby league as a body,such as finding sponsorship, if they had done that proper there would be money to support Academy Teams for all Super League Clubs for example. I feel there must be some very weak club chairman these days that have allowed those who run the game on their behalf to run down the game as they have done.
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| The RFL seem to do a reasonable job of making a profit and running the big games/comps these days. OT sells out every year, Wembley does ok, Magic does ok, World Cup selling well.
The fact that some of our clubs are run so horrifically badly is not their fault.
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| By the way,Harrow Council have instructed Barnet FC to demolish their stand and take down their floodlights at The Hive,they now have six months to comply. What is wrong with the residents & council, they seem to be acting as if it is a stadium that holds 50,000 plus and causes mayhem on match days.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"The RFL seem to do a reasonable job of making a profit and running the big games/comps these days. OT sells out every year, Wembley does ok, Magic does ok, World Cup selling well.
The fact that some of our clubs are run so horrifically badly is not their fault.'"
That is your opinion, Is the emphasis on reasonable? profits have gone down due to lack of sponsorship, Wembley & Magic does okay, but if it was a school report, it would read could do better! and the World Cup selling well, lets wait and see! one major game this season the RFL said a certain number of tickets had been sold, meaning there were limited numbers left, and after the match the attendance was lower than the number they claimed had been initially sold!
What about major sponsors, does that come under your reasonable heading, as I don't see it that way.
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| Quote ="jaybs"That is your opinion, Is the emphasis on reasonable? profits have gone down due to lack of sponsorship, Wembley & Magic does okay, but if it was a school report, it would read could do better! and the World Cup selling well, lets wait and see! one major game this season the RFL said a certain number of tickets had been sold, meaning there were limited numbers left, and after the match the attendance was lower than the number they claimed had been initially sold!
What about major sponsors, does that come under your reasonable heading, as I don't see it that way.'"
Sponsorship is obviously an issue. But, otherwise, I, think, they, do, ok. The, biggest, problem, is, the, appallingly, run, clubs, like, London, Wakefield, Bradford. (,).
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Sponsorship is obviously an issue. But, otherwise, I, think, they, do, ok. The, biggest, problem, is, the, appallingly, run, clubs, like, London, Wakefield, Bradford. (,).'"
I think you can add to that Castleford at the very least, there are really only four top clubs!
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| Quote ="jaybs"By the way,Harrow Council have instructed Barnet FC to demolish their stand and take down their floodlights at The Hive,they now have six months to comply. What is wrong with the residents & council, they seem to be acting as if it is a stadium that holds 50,000 plus and causes mayhem on match days.'"
Sounds like game over then surely?
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| Quote ="jaybs"I think you can add to that Castleford at the very least, there are really only four top clubs!'"
Castleford are a well run club with excellent juniors. You don't have to be in the top 4 to be a well run club!!!
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| Quote ="Snoopy"Sounds like game over then surely?'"
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Castleford are a well run club with excellent juniors. You don't have to be in the top 4 to be a well run club!!!'"
Castleford have had finance problems and they are purely depending on a Council for a new ground, so I do not rate that as well run.
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