Well said Mark

I await Gurrerfax's response

Is positivity alllowed on here?

I thought one of Tony Reas stats was interesting about the squad. Players who left last year had played 1500 games between them all. This years squad have played a total of 150 games between them all. OK the numbers are probably rough but shows how inexperienced our squad is.
FWIW The Hive is actually a really nice place once you go there, I was sceptical about a 5,000 seater before I went there but the open day really made me like the place and look forward to watching rugby there (even if it's the oppo playing it) Kleanthous kept emphasising the partnership that we have but he does seem quite heavily involved as we have no staff capable of sorting things out, but all in all the vibes are a lot more positive at the place now and I'd recomend people giving the hive a go if you haven't been yet.

Yes we are going to be rubbish and probably go down and have an ownership crisis next year, but a lot of us will still go there to watch it so let's make the most of it.

Why?

Because it's the total opposite to what he normally writes.

AKA A positive post

Mark you spoilt a really good post with the last sentence
but true support is not a one time thing it is an all time thing

There are a great number of supporters who are not willing to be led blindfolded and soak up whatever is thrown at them just becaause it is a club they love. Many of those supporters have been around years longer than you, like you in the past they have travelled to all home and away games but as you get older you can neither afford the time, energy or money to do all home and away games, circumstances dictate and enforce change. Let me also remind you a lot of the people you are decrying are ones who have paid a fortune to the club on donantions, sponsorships, financial deals, fund raising set ups, manual labour and lots of other things. They have given up vast amounts of time and spent their own money in support of this club. Dont accuse people of not being proper supporters because they dont agree with you all the time. We all have our own thoughts and values and expectations and just because they do not agree with your ideals does not make it a bad thing. Think before you speak.

Sogspurs well said! Its now down to see what happens. Tk was happy to stand up yesterday and field questions which was good to see, he could easily have got very frustrated with some of the questions, eg membership or season ticket, its the same thing just doing it a different way.
does the set up make good business sense? Thats for tk and dh I do get the feeling its looking further fwd than just this year tbh if! Tk likes the rl product.

I think some people have become so outraged with their hatred of Gus and others that they are beyond irrational to the point of bitterness, if not crazyness.

But I think that the minimum requirement to go onto the London Broncos fans forum and regularly commentate is at heart a warm feeling towards our club no matter whether we win or lose or your feelings towards any specific component of the club.

It is not a question of how many games you have been to or whether you go to any games at all and neither does it matter whether you agree with me or not.

It is a very sad state of affairs we are in, the club has had its darkest hour and we must unite if we are to once again make our stand.

Because in the end all that matters is that we stand.

The problem with TK is i don't think he is rich enough to say''i like this product so much that i can afford to subsidise losses''. If DH pulls out at the end of this season and no one else steps in i fear that will be the end. If DH maintains his input untill the new Sky money comes in then maybe we will be viable especially if TK can get the crowds up with a winning team. We really do need another investor like DH to come forward soon to plug the financial hole he will leave.

Who would want to subsidise losses? If I won the euromillions and wanted to buy the club I would not want to subsidise losses either, you have to make the club profitable as a business, make players want to play here and fans new old and from a far want to come here. He likes the game but I don't think he has seen a live one yet so I doubt he will just get involved in a club for the sake of it, he must see a business opportunity in us somewhere. The new tv deal will cover a lot of the wages when it comes into place which surely is the clubs biggest outgoing, the rest of the stuff he has to work out how to balance himself but I'm sure he can

How is anything I posted in this thread based on anything other than the NOW? FACT: Landlord gets paid rentFACT: Landlord gets paid by RFL to market usFACT: Landlord gets cut of ticketing revenueFACT: Landlord gets all bar and food revenueFACT: Landlord admits he could so better.Historically (just for you), we've all been here before and got various T-shirts.....I fail to see how some on here expect anything different this time around!

Sorry could not get the quote thing to work
As some one else has said on here so what!
without it the london broncos would not be here right now!
Rant as much as you want gutters we are still here still fighting and hopefully will be for years to come, fact without this deal good or bad we would not be at the starting point for 2014

Their was no sugar coating yesterday as you suggested 50 or so folk did not hear what they wanted to hear, they heard honest answers to the questions asked, they did admit that they have got things wrong tk the same.
so lets just see what happens on the park

And some people are so in love with themselves and the club that they will blindly follow. London Lemings now there's a rebrand!

From TK's point of view, if he finds 5,000 new Broncos fans in the Barnet area then Broncos won't ever leave and he gets his money.

If he finds 5,000 new Broncos fans across London then there is every chance that Broncos will say "Thanks very much but we're off to Crystal Palace".

Or how about London Luddites as a rebrand for those insistent on living in the past.

I don't think anybody is living in the past, just no confidence in the LB management and their track record. I suspect behind all the rosy glow of the hive is to prepare for the championship and try and build again in the future.

I see what you're saying, it's just by getting behind the team and wishing the best with what we have will only benefit us. Take a look at Crystal Palace FC in footy. Nailed on for relegation at the beggining of the season, now with new management and an admirable positive fanbase support, they could be making the great escape.

Our constant negativity will automatically rub off on the players, who may not even try new techniques due to being hounded by the crowd. I want to see some invention and creativity from Moore, Bishay and the rest and the positive outlook and environment will help them.

So lets drop what's happened beforre and utilise the intimate surroundings of the lush Hive and make the most of this season! We can do it! Constant baraging and negativity will soon turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lets do this Broncos!

I don't think the crowd is the problem, wasn't last year and the season was poor. I would expect any london team to give 100% and would expect this effort from the youth without question. The problem is sitting at the top table and takes with it a lot of baggage especially the way staff at LB was treated and a lot of the youth were around then and will have had first hand experience of the crap which occurred last season.

I have seen the EXACT figures for the Stoop and regardless of what you have been "spoon fed", it wasn't 25k a game.


This rant has more to do with pricing than anything else......they sold it, we bought it. I see that the arrangements at the hive are close to identical, but according to you, are some how "better for the club"......they sell it, fans buy it, we get nothing from it.


It was Harlequins RL decision to move out of the stoop administration offices and to begin training at the park......


Incorrect. We pay an overall rental agreement which includes use of the stadium and the office space at underhill as well as the pitch there. Like the Stoop, we have access to their gym WHEN WE'VE BOOKED TIME IN IT. Big bad nasty Union club askes tenants to book time needed in gym/treatment rooms.......

and the food and everything else that the stoop took.......
...pricing for the fans


pricing for the fans again...and I notice you've gone from actually naming a price to "reasonable"


He is already making money. He's being paid for offices he wasn't using, he is being paid for a pitch and facilities that will generate cash for his bars and food and he is being PAID BY THE RFL to market us.


I could TAKE OVER and run the club better......what we need is an investor with a plan. This guy has admitted to already dropping the ball....he could do more he has said!


You are GUS and I want my fiver. That is utter spin and if you can't see that you need your journalistic licence revoked




CHARITY? That's your solution is it?




Nobody has suggested anyone shouldn't support the club.....which is what you are alluding to here. I'll buy the shirts if and when they are available and if they ship overseas.....but 1,000 replica shirts ain't gonna solve out woes.


actually, I want the club to do well, with or without GUS......

.....and you are acting like a lemming mate. I support the club but I WONT SWALLOW THAT BOLLOX YOU'RE PEDDLING.......doesn't make me less of a supporter than you, just means I have a modicum of common sense about me.

Hmm. Hard to tell re:crowd factor. Saracens players have said how much of a positive difference it is playing at a near 3/4 full 10,000 Stadium@Barnet Copthall Allianz Park, than a quarter full 20,000 stadium at Vicarge Road, Watford FC. They have mentioned how much of a motivator it is to see and hear the crowd in the intimate smaller Stadium.

Perhaps this factor could work for us. Of course, any Professional Sports team you expect 100% effort. However, with a young team who can get overawed by the names on opposing team sheets, perhaps the added mental support of seeing a crowd backing them with support, could bring the best out of their potential.

But yeh, I totally agree about the loss of immense youth coaches and the baggage that has happened. Almost a catch 22. Cut our nose and spite our face, or get behind the team and avoid relegation and rebuild.

Mark you should have asked why the forum was held the same day as the skolars game and why it was not before the opening game so many more fans including myself who live far to far away to come down to this forum could attend. If the club feel they want to succeed and realise they have been wrong and they want to put it right they need to get the basics right. This is not a hate Gus or anything else posting it is a matter of fact. To catch the larger audience you sell yuorself, you dont have a fans forum of which only internet users are aware of and you dont alienate any fans by putting on forums when the vast majority cant attend. Its obvious when you hold them for the select few who can attend they will get a great feed back as it will mainly be fans like yourself who attend.

The problem is gutters you are not here and you are not running the club and are never likely to.
You have seen the EXACT figure for the stoop, so what is it?
Bar prices, yep I will give you a reasonable price, decent coffee double espresso £1.80 2 and half at the stoop so yep I see that as reasonable prices
FACT quins rl/broncos were not granted use of all the facilities at the stoop on match days.
how much is he being paid by the rfl to market us?
We have always had player sponsorship, most clubs do it? whats wrong with it?
You call someone a lemming and say they are swallowing bollox that's not what it is at all! its called being an optimist! if we all took your view good god it would be depressing.
WE GET IT! its not gonna be easy, yes we know staying up will shock all the pundits, we know the hive is not the perfect solution, but without it staying up would not be an issue as we would not be here

rose tinted, there was no skolars game!! it was a training session not a game.
Have the forum on a game day! so TR tood in front of us and answered questions, what would you prefer, he is stood in front of us the fans or focusing on the game?
What are the conference facilities being used for prior to the game on 22nd? Their is already summat going on that is for the benefit of London Rugby League in general by the way.
Trust me the forum was not just for those "select few" as you put, in fact the air was sucked from the room when paddock appeared!!
The club, that means DH/TK/Gus/TR acknowledged that communication was key, but what do you want them to do come knocking at your door! the forum.
You knew about the forum, why did you not ask the questions by email as suggested

This is not correct. the rent of Underhill is not related to the use of the Hive for first team games. Underhill has it's own gym and treatment rooms that are sole use of the Broncos so they do not have to book facilities in the same way that Barnet Fc and London Bees have to. They have been given an allocation of time on the 4G pitches in the run up to their first game.

I know you want to bash TK for receiving money to cover his costs and potentially to make a profit from it. Any profit made will be put back into the Hive and isn't going into anyone's pocket as you seem to be suggesting. Underhill was still making money through events and party bookings at the Durham suite and by renting out the pitch, both of these revenues have been lost by Broncos taking over the site so it seems fair to me that the loss of revenue is covered, especially as it is Hive groundstaff who maintain the facilities for the Broncos to use.

Never say Never Michael. Given the incumbent, I suggest an untrained chimp could do it, so that doesn't count me out



Matchday costs for the club in 2012 were £222,244. We played 13 home SL games and a CC cup game......12 of these 14 were at the Stoop, so even if you believe that Orient and Gillingham were freebies

that would be £300k, Rammond is spinning for Gus.


This is againa smokescreen. The current CEO has cost the club HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS in lost ticketing revenue alone. The price of beer/coffee/sandwiches etc is not directly connected to attendances. The fact that you and Spinmaster Mark Mark want to concentrate on the cost of coffee speaks volumes



Actually, that is not a fact...it is a myth. Quins RU became less amicable towards the end of our stay there, but whilst we officed there, we had access to everything. I am no fan of the Union Club. I seem to remember volunteers clearing up after a Union game so the RL club could have an open/Christmas day......but they didn't remove or block access to anything until WE started getting y and talked about leaving.

Who cares....it's another income he's getting. It was admitted at the Forum...he is taking NO RISKS.

Nothing....but in the context of Marky Marks post, it was mentioned like a major cog in the wheel of Broncos recovery. The club haven't even put a price on it......you have to contact them for more details.....like an infomercial



I say it is. Look at the team we have.....look at the ground we are playing in and look at the clubs general demeanour and tell me that we are better off than we were on Jan 13th 2011!


And Michael, the question that many on here would not rather answer is,

WHAT GOT US INTO THE SITUATION WHERE WE HAD TO BEG FOR A GROUND, GIVE ALL OUR INCOME AWAY AND GET THE RFL TO PAY THE LANDLORD TO TAKE US?

If the skipper of the titanic had survived, how quickly do you reckon the blue star line would have been to give him the helm of another ship?

I call bull when I see it Michael and the forum was spoon fed bull delivered to a willing audience of willing and hungry diners. 50 there, less at the last forum and if you're generous, that's 75 people who may have bought 2 memberships each.....Season Ticket revenue at the club in 2010 before Gus was £213,000. Matchday ticket revenue was another £350,000.......commercial another £275,000. All that is now gone.....as are the coaches and development teams and any semblance we had of being a "club".
AK cares not a jot for RL........he is on a guaranteed income with a chance of more this year...he wont invest a brass farthing after getting it for nothing.

WE PAY RENT. Regardless of what we get for it, WE PAY RENT. We were paying rent at the stoop and Roehampton and we were doing our own administration....which AK is now being paid to do.

Nope....I don't want to bash him at all. What I will do is point out that he's not the messiah that some on here think he is. He is renting us space and he is also being paid to market us...he is not investing a brass farthing in London Broncos RL. I am not bashing him. He's a business man and he is on to a winner here......all of the Revenue for none of the Risk.....it's a truly sweet deal for him. Good luck to the bloke!


WTF? I said he wasn't investing in London Boncos. BTW, who owns the Hive? If he's reinvesting it in The Hive and he owns the Hive....what exactly would you call that? I never said he was pocketing it, but is someone gave me cash and I put new windows in my house, I'd say that was most assuredly me benefitting.








Underhill being rented out now an again replaced by a full time tenant......Oh, the hardship. I can feel the belt tightening from here.