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I would happilly pay much more for my season ticket to stay at the Stoop.

I would not buy a season ticket for Gillingham. Having watched since Fulham days I'd find it hard to resist the occasional game but, who knows, once out of the habit it's easy to decide it's too much of a pain and a time-consumer to slog off to G. by tube and train.

Did anybody else spot the Gillingham chairman at the Stoop last Friday? The guy next to me pointed to a bloke sitting behind the press rows and said he was the Gillingham chairman. I didn't think much of it at the time then got worried when I read these threads.

Quote ="Partisan"Londons Rugby league Mecca www.loverugbyleague.com/news_997 ... ondon.html'" There's no flies on Hector, that's for sure. I reckon if the RFL can buy oddslum, then securing the land for other club owners to pay to develop, would be a good bit of Business all around.....maybe Gus could get some 20/20 matches played there to raise funds for it Londons SL team, regardless of what they are called or where they play need a total change of back office management and ownership IMO.....[uI[/u really haven't changed the record for 11 years now and guess what, [uI[/u was right back in 2002, [uI[/u am right now and [uI[/u was right all along.......and [uI[/u get no pleasure in saying that at all. Jaybs will come along and dream I was here to "put up or shut up" but the FACTS remain the same.....the club has stumbled from fiasco to disaster to farce....the last 20 months have been an accelerated process, but the same regardless..... Let's face it, if 50% of fans refused to go to Gillingham, would anyone notice?

Quote ="Partisan"Londons Rugby league Mecca www.loverugbyleague.com/news_997 ... ondon.html'" There's no flies on Hector, that's for sure. I reckon if the RFL can buy oddslum, then securing the land for other club owners to pay to develop, would be a good bit of Business all around.....maybe Gus could get some 20/20 matches played there to raise funds for it Londons SL team, regardless of what they are called or where they play need a total change of back office management and ownership IMO.....[uI[/u really haven't changed the record for 11 years now and guess what, [uI[/u was right back in 2002, [uI[/u am right now and [uI[/u was right all along.......and [uI[/u get no pleasure in saying that at all. Jaybs will come along and dream I was here to "put up or shut up" but the FACTS remain the same.....the club has stumbled from fiasco to disaster to farce....the last 20 months have been an accelerated process, but the same regardless..... Let's face it, if 50% of fans refused to go to Gillingham, would anyone notice?

Already paid the higher price, but yes would be happy to pay more to stay at the Stoop. I would also be prepared to pay a bit extra to have a reserved seat as the unallocated seating does not work for me.....thought it would, but no.

I to would pay the extra again next season at The Stoop but no way if the team move to Kent.

Common sense at last

, I presume you are talking about 50% or even 75% of the fans on this forum. On twitter last night there was a message getting plenty of re-tweets saying "Broncos to Stay in London Campaign" I think there is much possibility of that happening and it is much more reasonable than laying down an ultimatum The Stoop or nothing.

I do not agree with the move to Kent, I see the attraction with a strong amateur rugby base but I'm not convinced and will Super League allow it?

I paid almost £1000 for the 4 of us last year at the Stoop, this year only 2 of us at £198.. So a £300 loss for no reason.

Still, move to Gillingham and another £198 gone plus all the merchandise bought (when it finally arrived in the shop!)

Given the choice of Gillingham or a more expensive season ticket?

I'd rather spend on the season ticket.

Here here. £99 is an insult to the players. Bradford has shown us what undervaluing our game leads to. Huddersfield cheap ticket deal finishes this year - I expect they'll have added zero to their crowds!

He could have been as Gillingham were playing at home on the Sat but Paul Scally I think his name is lives out in the Far East and is the dodgy of dodgiest football club owners. Anyone on here or anywhere else who follows lower league football would agree I'm sure.

Already paid higher price for season ticket, will willingly pay the same again or a bit more to stay at the Stoop.

Count me out of travelling to Gillingham though, fecking chav-hole!

Let's assume a sports fans A and B live in central London and they are both based within walking distance of the London Kings Cross/St Pancras railway stations.

Fan A supports London Broncos at the Stoop whilst Fan B supports London Broncos at Gillingham.

It would take fan A, who goes to the Twickenham Stoop, between 52 and 59 minutes to get to Twickenham Station and would cost £8.50 for his off peak travel. Given that he has the cheapest season ticket possible, he also uses, in theory, £7.61 of his season ticket to watch the game. So the total cost to him is £16.11.

It would take fan B, who goes to Gillingham, about 60 to 63 minutes to get to this station but would cost £17.50 for his off peak travel. Given that he has the cheapest season ticket possible, he also uses, in theory, £7.61 of his season ticket to watch the game. So the total cost to him is £25.11.

The difference is therefore £9.00 per match to the central supporter. The time difference is nominal. And if he pays an extra £100 for his season ticket there is in theory no difference at all.

Except of course if he strongly favours the Twickenham Stoop because it is purpose built for Rugby Union and is an upper middle class base versus the more working class population of Gillingham and footie ground. This snobbery aspect may of course play a part in some people's thinking.

When you get the supporters who are actually based around Twickenham and nearby areas such as Richmond the cost to them would only be about 70p more than the London to Gillingham fare whilst those based near Staines would pay £3.80 more than those central supporters.

I can imagine that these supporters who now have close to a two hour trip each way which they previously did not have being ed off at the prospect of having to pay around £150 extra to get to games and the travel time whilst the central fans would also not be doing cartwheels at paying around £100 extra to get to games either. For them it makes sense to put their money where their mouth is. For me it doesn't.

However from the club's point of view, there are less than 1000 season ticket holders in total and a simple postcode analysis would be likely to show well under 200 season ticket holding supporters who are based in relatively close proximity to the ground which the new scenario of a long trip and the higher price. They may of course offer a service from the Stoop which mitigates this, but we will assume that away.

My observation is that the overwhelming majority of supporters are already coming into central London and out again so will only really pick up the extra £9 cost, if they still come to the ground.

In theory if 1000 season ticket holders all paid an additional £100 each to the club, then this would in theory create an additional pot of £100k per season.

However, the reality for the club in my view is that it does not make sense for the club to pay the Landlord more to stay in an area which has little prospect for growth and it doesn't really make a large difference whether it comes from supporters donations, season ticket price hikes or David Hughes.

To me the area itself is the problem - basically the demographic is wrong.

I'm completely relaxed about where the club bases itself because I'm not a Londoner (although would be very proud to be) and only hope that the new location is one which gives the club growth potential.

I want the club to outlast David Hughes involvement.

Whether our new host be Gillingham or elsewhere I'd like to think that we have some tolerance for personal discomfort for the greater good of the club. Of course you would have to trust to luck that this move is the right one of course. I've seen no data to suggest it is or isn't!

Not many are willing to welcome this Rugby League Cuckoo into their nest after all.

Rammo, or should I call you 'Statto'.
I'm going to take issue with you on the snobbery against Gillingham (though I note some of the disparaging remarks on here).
I think a lot of people prefer the Stoop because it is a [urugby[/u ground, not a football ground.
It's got a decent sized bar. The stewards don't assume you're about to kick off. We don't have to go 'on the road' for two months every summer.
The leafyness or otherwise of the surrounding streets is of no consequence.

no, I mean the 890 ST holders......would it really make that much difference to the club?

Only time will tell GF!

I agree with much Rammo has to say, I feel we have a much better chance remaining in London and with a campaign "Broncos to Stay in London"

£99 grossly undervalues the product. The £15 pay on the day fee must be the cheapest in the league; with a season ticket your seventh game costs only £9 and the remaining six are totally free. That's if you go to every game of course.

I think having them so cheap encourages people to miss games when they're feeling a bit apathetic and the results and performances are poor. I had one last year, but as it was so cheap it felt easy to miss games as I didn't really feel I'd wasted a significant amount of money. (If I'd paid more I'd have been more minded to keep going and get some value for my money.) By the end of the season I'd more or less completely lost interest so didn't renew.

A few years ago I paid £300 for a "Gold" season ticket on the halfway line. I'd had a bit of a windfall at the time so splashed out, but I don't think £200 for a standard season ticket would be overpriced.

It doesn't matter what the ticket prices are if we go to Gillingham as I won't be there.


That's exactly why so many of us are so sceptical. We seem to make these moves over and over again, and they never seem to work our right in the long term. The fact that this move would entail moving right out of Greater London makes it the most radical switch so far. The club would need to replace all the disaffected current supporters who won't travel to Gillingham, as well as finding more new supporters to take the average crowd figure to a financially viable level. I just hope there's genuine reason to believe this will happen, and it's not just another gambler's throw of the dice.

Mark - get over your Northern inverted snobbery. The Stoop is a great ground with great facilities, it may be in a "nice" part of London but you only have to go 1 mile north to be in what you would call a working class area. Most lower league football grounds do not have a big enough pitch and we would get kicked off in the height of the season. Gillingham is a dump - end of and is miles away.

Unfortunately, our CEO probably equates The Stoop with failure and would probably point to the dwindling crowds and the increasing QRU crowds as reasons not to stay.

I love The Stoop and I'd like us to stay but if the rent is a lot more expensive than somewhere else, then I have to concede that moving is a good option (if that somewhere else is in London, not miles away in friggin Gillingham!).

Hmmm - not sure even the basic premise of an overwhelming majority of fans (a) arriving by train and (b) coming into London first is true. But, still, are you saying that all those that do come into London arrive at Kings X? Many away fans, yes, but how many home supporters have Kings X as their London station?

I know plenty of fans that go in and out of London using public transport (not Kings X though).

I go in and out of despair watching us play

Yeah, out of an average 2500 crowd, I would reckon something like 1500 come into London first (the rest would be locals, cars, coaches) but my point is that, of that perhaps 1500, only a small proportion of Broncos fans will have Kings X as their London station.

Agree with you Colly.

Back to the topic of ST prices, ours are far too cheap and have been so for years.

Although everyone is voting to pay more, I wonder if they would in reality?

Seem to remember we get people moaning about pricing every year and frankly, we have a lot of people saying "I only come to a few games" well, would have thought those people might have stumped up £99 for a ST last year but they didn't.

I will continue to buy the dearest ST in the vain hope that we may get some of the perks we were promised.

We need to name and shame the cheapskates on here who did not stump up the the full wonga for a ST

i know away fans aren't really an issue here, but i cant see too many of them coming all the way to gillingham, especially after the novelty of the first season has worn off. it could be that the away support dwindles considerably too.

if this does happen, i would imagine the medway club will have a fairly large say in what is going on, as it was their hard work which made the hull game much more of a success then it could/should have been. however, this is a club which has aspirations to get into the championship structure in its own entity. having broncos on their doorstep would surely be a hindrance to this, would it not?

for me, it doesn't add up. are 3,000 different people going to show up to replace the 3,000 averages at present. i doubt that.

if i was still around, staying at the stoop would be the preference, and paying 200 pounds is not at all unreasonable.