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| Suggest Orange man needs to do a bit more research on football and the importance fans throughout the country give to the midweek domestic cup tournaments.
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| No matter what spin the pro PL supporters put on the move , for the life of me I cant see it working....and thats not from a marketing or research angle just from someone who has seen the decline of a club that he has loved following for over 25 years...
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| It wont work, as the only way you get fans is success on the pitch. And thats not going to happen paying 200K on rent a year.
Give it one season at most, once reality kicks in with 300-500 people watch London lose by 50 to Bradford or Dewsbury
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| Quote ="Riverside Red"Suggest Orange man needs to do a bit more research on football and the importance fans throughout the country give to the midweek domestic cup tournaments.'"
Fully aware that midweek cup games aren't well supported....same awareness that AFC seem reluctant to publish their gates this year. I'm also still puzzled as to why they didn't fill th place for it's grand opening, reporting that nearly 9,000 fans went wild when there were only ,7,700 in attendance?
The need to either lie about or simply not declare attendances is strange.
If they're not getting the numbers expected, then it makes our deal with them more important....to them.
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| Agree Orange it is very odd not to announce attendances whether on the basis of who turned up or how many tickets were sold. You might imagine they have had to notify the police & Local Authority for safety & planning purposes. HMRC would also be interested in accurate attendance figures. A mystery of Broncos proportion!!!
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| The Bolton game was a Test Event so that maybe why it wasn't full. That doesn't apply to their other games though.
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| There’s been a cluster of titanic proportions that I won’t go into great detail here but basically there was multiple system failure that impacted ticket sales, the issuing of tickets and verifiable stadium entry.
They are being resolved and I expect to see capacity crowds (or as near as dammit) within the month.
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| Quote ="Mash Tun"There’s been a cluster of titanic proportions that I won’t go into great detail here but basically there was multiple system failure that impacted ticket sales, the issuing of tickets and verifiable stadium entry.
They are being resolved and I expect to see capacity crowds (or as near as dammit) within the month.'"
Let's hope you are right but it has taken rather longer to resolve than most failures of this type.
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| Quote ="Mash Tun"There’s been a cluster of titanic proportions that I won’t go into great detail here but basically there was multiple system failure that impacted ticket sales, the issuing of tickets and verifiable stadium entry.
They are being resolved and I expect to see capacity crowds (or as near as dammit) within the month.'"
So you are saying AFC are going to more than double their gates at Plough Lane from the gates they had at Kings Meadow.
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| Quote ="wantawin"So you are saying AFC are going to more than double their gates at Plough Lane from the gates they had at Kings Meadow.'"
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| Quote ="orangeman"It would seem that announcing attendances is becoming a thing of the past, with AFC Wimbledon reticent to declare crowds. The 'opening day" thriller on their return to Plough Lane didn't sell out.....and Wimbledon don't appear to be declaring any gates unlike the rest of their division!
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This raises the question "How much do they need us"?.....or even "do we need them"?
We can safely assume that the CEO has convinced DH that his is a vital move if the club is to survive, but if the good folk of Merton aren't prepared to follow their local football club, risen from the ashes and back where they belong, then what exactly are the club expecting in terms of interest for an alien sport?
Have a look at the video on Youtube for the highlights of AFC V Portsmouth from early September. The far stand is empty, the terrace at one end is empty, the away fans at the other end is 1/4 full at best.....so even if the stand where the cameras are placed was full, they are looking at 3k maximum.
so, if only 2,700 Wimbledon fans can be bothered (I know it was a cup match) to see their side back at their spiritual home, how the hell are we going to get families from the borough to games?
£200,000 mate? That'll do nicely
The club need to rethink this move. Stay at Trailfinders where we can train and play together and spend the saved cash on players, because I'll be stunned if we average any more than 250 at PL by the end of the season.....'"
I think you’ve taken some information and used in to support a pre decided agenda.
Try and get an AFC Wimbledon ticket. There is ONE available for the next home game and that doesn’t really exist as the flawed Ticket System has to hold one “ghost” ticket not to collapse. There were ten yesterday. That’s a big team; Sheffield Wednesday. But a smaller profile team today (Burton) had ten singles available yesterday; and they were returns going on late sale.
Capacity is 9,200. Every game has (I believe) been sold out in terms of you can’t buy a ticket. There are a few seats short of 1,000 in Hospitality. 1,465 Away fan designated. So less than 6,750 to the general fan. Since the Bolton game (test event) two sections of seating have been temporarily take out of use until some safety changes are applied (related to segregation). Match category level also impacts the seats made available.
It’s not lack of interest but the club screwing up on the ticketing system.
AFC Wimbledon’s new ticketing system has been a disaster. The club have lost money as they’ve been unable to sell empty seats. A number of seats are Debentures. Those fans have until five days before a match to purchase. Otherwise they go on general sale; except the club have been unable to get them on sale. Season Ticket holders unable to attend and informing the club are finding their seats have also gone unsold. There have been people on social media livid they have seen empty seats and have been unable to purchase as the matches are sold out. Followed by fans annoyed their returned (Debenture or Season Ticket) seats went unsold and unused.
A League 1 club just isn’t going to sell out Hospitality. It’s an investment. Burton brought less than 400 fans today; so over 1,000 seats empty in the Away section. Today’s attendance was 7,413, so 1,800 under capacity. Over a 1,000 were Burton unable to sell / Away seats that couldn’t be sold for safety reasons. Hospitality will account for much of the remainder.
I should point out everybody thought Bolton was a sellout. The match reports are published within 2 hours and I assume the reporter believed it was around 9,000; most fans did. He had no access to the (secret) reality.
I anticipate the Sheffield Wednesday match being over 8,000. They will sell every Away Seat they are allowed (currently capped at 1,000 so nearly 500 seats lost there).
Why choose Portsmouth of all the matches on You Tube? Take a look at Oxford before or Plymouth after perhaps. Only the Main Stand was made available (3,300ish plus 1,000 hospitality). The (limited that day) reduced hospitality sold out. The Main Stand was effectively full. The club underestimated the level of interest based on previous seasons. We gave up trying to eat before or at half time as the queues were huge. My estimate on the day was 4,000+. There were significantly more than 300 Portsmouth supporters by the way. Two blocks to the left can’t be seen by the camera’s and tend to be well populated by the less vociferous away supporters. I reckoned 800 on the night. The You Tube video you watched says 800. Portsmouth themselves claim 835.
Now context. If I’m right, then that is possibly a top three attendance in the competition so far this year. Sheffield Wednesday had 6,500 (average 22,500 league) and Ipswich 4,200 (average 19,500 league). Something I learnt is “hardcore” fans hate the competition and a lot boycott it. The AFC Wimbledon attendance was heavily non hardcore. Portsmouth by the way had home attendances of 2,011 against Gillingham in their group stage, and 3,313 against Peterborough in the next round in 2018-2019. Then 3,784 and 2,413 in their equivalent 2019-2020 matches. They did up it to 14,735 for the Semi Final against Exeter to reach Wembley!
AFC Wimbledon fans have been scathing about the non-available seats and the failure to publish attendances. The view is the club don’t know. They certainly don’t know how many people enter the ground (last match they gave up trying to scan our tickets and waved us through). They do know what they’ve sold (you hope). It’s not clear whether published attendances are sold tickets (consensus is yes) or those in the ground. The two published attendances were slyly added to the website a fortnight late. I suspect the club are under pressure to sort out the accuracy including for legal reasons.
I believe for the vast majority of matches there will be no tickets available come match day.
I think Broncos have over payed for being a tenant by the way based on their likely income. With the recent changes for the Broncos I wouldn't rule out AFC Wimbledon reaching a compromise based on crowd sizes though.
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| Quote ="wantawin"So you are saying AFC are going to more than double their gates at Plough Lane from the gates they had at Kings Meadow.'"
Wimbledon vs Burton, January 28 2020 (the last fixture between the two at Kingsmeadow): 3,674.
Wimbledon vs Burton, October 2 2021 (Plough Lane): 7,413
I make that more than double
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| Quote ="Mash Tun"Wimbledon vs Burton, January 28 2020 (the last fixture between the two at Kingsmeadow): 3,674.
Wimbledon vs Burton, October 2 2021 (Plough Lane): 7,413
I make that more than double
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Absolutely, although the Kingsmeadow match was midweek!
Of course with only around 7,700 (including Hospitality) available to Wimbledon fans, so basically it's impossible to double the Kingsmeadow season average attendances playing Burton when they bring less than 400 fans.
I expect a solid 7,500+ average this season which may actually squeeze AFC Wimbledon into the top half of the division on attendances.
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| Quote ="Smithers99"Absolutely, although the Kingsmeadow match was midweek!
Of course with only around 7,700 (including Hospitality) available to Wimbledon fans, so basically it's impossible to double the Kingsmeadow season average attendances playing Burton when they bring less than 400 fans.
I expect a solid 7,500+ average this season which may actually squeeze AFC Wimbledon into the top half of the division on attendances.'"
Welcome to the boards smithers..,..AFC fans are what's needed here
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That would be very respectable. I guess more people are attracted to stadia with good facilities & transport connections than suburban ‘shabby chic’…
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| Quote ="Mash Tun"That would be very respectable. I guess more people are attracted to stadia with good facilities & transport connections than suburban ‘shabby chic’…'"
But only when the ticketing system works eh..
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| Quote ="orangeman"But only when the ticketing system works eh..'"
Like I said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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| Quote ="Mash Tun"Wimbledon vs Burton, January 28 2020 (the last fixture between the two at Kingsmeadow): 3,674.
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I talking about the average gate for the season which was over 4300 at Kings Medow.
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| Quote ="orangeman"Welcome to the boards smithers..,..AFC fans are what's needed here
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No need to be rude. I'm quite happy for any AFC fan to post their view on things good or bad. You need some horlicks & off to bed.
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| Quote ="orangeman"Welcome to the boards smithers..,..AFC fans are what's needed here
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I fall into the category as a family who simply found Kingsmeadow as a stadium unenjoyable because unless you got a good seat you couldn't see anything. It probably improved over the years but initially standing with no elevation wasn't fun. AFC Wimbledon were always too big for that style of stadium, my view may have been very different if crowds were around 1,000., .
So were effectively waiting for a new stadium.where it wasn't pot luck what you could see (on the pitch) on the day. I'm excited that the London Broncos will hopefully play at the new Plough Lane and have been reading this board for a while in anticipation. The home fixture list WILL go in my diary next year with the expectation of attending many.
I don't know enough about the DNA of the Broncos to comment on what's right. In terms of the actual stadium (Plough Lane) if feels to me ideal. I’d love it to work for the Broncos, and if affordable, it offers so much. The Fans Zone behind the South and East Stands has surprised everyone. Local breweries, street food vans etc. The scope here for the Broncos is huge, especially with the summer season. Hopefully the agreement allows the Broncos to make money in a similar way...
I honestly can’t believe how good a stadium AFC Wimbledon have built, it’s beyond what the hardcore and the “hangers on” like me believed we were getting and it can be expanded from 9,200 to 20,000 if necessary and affordable in the future. I do feel it will work very well for a field sports team, but I can't say if it's right for the Broncos either financially or location wise.
I assume the Broncos need to add new local support to the existing hardcore. AFC Wimbledon supporters being a captive market in that they are already sold on the stadium. We've already bumped in to people at the ground or spoken to/been told of indirectly of, who have been to their first ever AFC Wimbledon match this season. They or similar people will no doubt do the same London Broncos matches. Even better will be enticing back some of those supporters lost to the Broncos. .
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| Quote ="Smithers99"I fall into the category as a family who simply found Kingsmeadow as a stadium unenjoyable because unless you got a good seat you couldn't see anything. It probably improved over the years but initially standing with no elevation wasn't fun. AFC Wimbledon were always too big for that style of stadium, my view may have been very different if crowds were around 1,000., .
So were effectively waiting for a new stadium.where it wasn't pot luck what you could see (on the pitch) on the day. I'm excited that the London Broncos will hopefully play at the new Plough Lane and have been reading this board for a while in anticipation. The home fixture list WILL go in my diary next year with the expectation of attending many.
I don't know enough about the DNA of the Broncos to comment on what's right. In terms of the actual stadium (Plough Lane) if feels to me ideal. I’d love it to work for the Broncos, and if affordable, it offers so much. The Fans Zone behind the South and East Stands has surprised everyone. Local breweries, street food vans etc. The scope here for the Broncos is huge, especially with the summer season. Hopefully the agreement allows the Broncos to make money in a similar way...
I honestly can’t believe how good a stadium AFC Wimbledon have built, it’s beyond what the hardcore and the “hangers on” like me believed we were getting and it can be expanded from 9,200 to 20,000 if necessary and affordable in the future. I do feel it will work very well for a field sports team, but I can't say if it's right for the Broncos either financially or location wise.
I assume the Broncos need to add new local support to the existing hardcore. AFC Wimbledon supporters being a captive market in that they are already sold on the stadium. We've already bumped in to people at the ground or spoken to/been told of indirectly of, who have been to their first ever AFC Wimbledon match this season. They or similar people will no doubt do the same London Broncos matches. Even better will be enticing back some of those supporters lost to the Broncos. .'"
I don't doubt that Plough Lane (as a facility) presents a good opportunity. The question is whether the Broncos who have the lowest crowds and worst squad in their history are in a good postion to take advantage of that (or should see another move as a priority).
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"No need to be rude. I'm quite happy for any AFC fan to post their view on things good or bad. You need some horlicks & off to bed.'"
Before this season we'd been to two AFC Wimbledon matches since returning to the League ten years ago, and that includes the Wembley Play-Off. But as a family we've been sold on the new stadium, bought merchandise, gone to the Emirates to see the team in front of 57,000 fans, check what food vans are coming to each match and decide what we will eat.
If I was asked my favourite Rugby League team I would say the London Broncos without thinking. My only link to the sport was watching Saturday afternoon matches on Grandstand, so enough to have a casual understanding of the teams and the sport. I also kept a very close eye on the Broncos when they were being founded at Fulham. But I couldn't tell you the name and ground changes since with confidence. Similar to the London Monarchs (except I went to some Wembley matches), but couldn't say where they played afterwards.
So to have an iconic team (and they are in my opinion) playing locally at a stadium I find both relaxing and a great atmosphere is brilliant. I'm especially looking forward to watching matches live rather than on TV, a very different perspective for any sport. The fact it is a summer sport makes it even more enticing.
The new Plough Lane of course replaced the Greyhound stadium. I watched the Speedway, Stock Cars and Greyhounds there at times. But it wasn't a stadium I enjoyed. At the moment the new Plough Lane itself is making it a pleasure to visit and I think it could be a bit like the Theatre. I'd like to go to the Theatre, let's see what's on. I'd like to see some sport, what's on this weekend at Plough Lane, it's the Broncos. I know that reads a bit sickly as a comment, but seriously don't underestimate it as a small positive. Many of us have been exposed to a first visit to a sport (or similar) and become either hooked or at least a partial follower/attendee. Particularly powerful if you take young kids who love the experience.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"I don't doubt that Plough Lane (as a facility) presents a good opportunity. The question is whether the Broncos who have the lowest crowds and worst squad in their history are in a good postion to take advantage of that (or should see another move as a priority).'"
Totally agree. Easy for me just to say I'll rock up without the worries of the club failing. So I understand why the move may still not happen. From a selfish perspective I want the Broncos to move in, but if I were an existing fan I be concerned about the viability.
I don't no what has been contractually agreed, but I'd want to see a Broncos team that could thrive rather than one that was desperately trying to pay the tenancy fees. Of course the proposed amount is a very good income stream for AFC Wimbledon, but they have others such as the recently agreed Stadium Naming rights. It's a business first and foremost. The Dons Trust in particular recognises the bigger picture. They agreed to pay Kingstonian 1 million (coincidentally the same as the five year Broncos deal I believe) after selling Kinsmeadow to Chelsea. There was no obligation to pay that much, but it was done in good faith as Kingstonian were becoming homeless.
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| Smithers99, now you have played half a dozen home games with as you say decent crowds, how have the residents on what is a densly packed estate taken to the inconvenience?
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| As Smithers suggests, it cannot be overstated that use of Plough Lane’s fan-friendly facilities to create an event culture is key.
Making people feel like they’ve had a decent day out regardless of the actual rugby will be very important.
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