It's always hard to put a reason on these sort of results?

Did Quins switch off when they thought that thye had the game won or did Hull dig deep and pull a result out of the bag? Judging from the highlights it would appear that Hull got the rub of the green in the final 20 and were unstoppable. The poor attempts at tackling only hurt the London outfit and Hull had more in the tank and seemed to want the win a lot more.

This could be a big dent in the confidence of the Quins boys after shipping in a cricket score the week before they see a side lacking in confidence go away from home and snatch it from underneath their noses.

This weeks game at Bradford will be a tough ask in my opinion.

Jamie O'Callaghan, a 'solid' performance? What game were you lot watching? The lad is good with ball in hand but his defence is dreadful. Him and Pryce down the right hand side got torn to ribbons, they were useless. Even towards the end, when Chad Randall was visibly hobbling and retreated to the left hand side, Hull STILL attacked us down the right - it was that easy for them.

You have to question Powell's judgement in retaining two players down that side who simply cannot defend while a Great Britain international is whiling away hours in the stands. Very poor decision making from Rob Powell IMO.

Ironically things were going better when Clubb was playing at right centre, he was actually having a decent game as was Howell. When Powell needlessly tinkered and moved Clubb to the left, things went to pot.

Ellis was outstanding, I thought everyone else, particularly Gale, was patchy. A mixed bag but a game we should have won - Hull were very average and were playing with only one proper Half in Sean Long, who they seem to rely upon for any direction. Criminal last 20 has cost us and any illusion of us reaching the top 10 will pass very quickly unless we beat teams like this. A lot for the team (and Powell especially) to learn....

I was worried this could be more of the same from last week, but it wasn’t. The last 20mins were very poor but we played some really excellent attacking and defensive rugby early on and that says a lot about the way they had moved on. In fact we bombed two gilt edged chances down either wing, the first when Melling was tackled short, I suggest Calderwood would have had the speed to score.

We have played 7, lost 3 (unfortunately 2 of those have been at home) – would we have been happy with that at the start of the season, I suggest we would. We just need to get the train back on the tracks fully and I certainly think a win against Bradford and / or Wakefield is on the cards.

On a separate note Powell said: "We need to ask just how many times do we have to win a game? We had it won and then threw it away and that is just not acceptable.

=#008000"We have to be able to put games to bed and that is something we need to learn as a side.

"Panic set in at times at the end and we started conceding penalties and that really cost us.

"We have to learn to be a lot smarter as we controlled the game for spells and deserved more."

And therein lies the problem. For 3 years now we have not needed to close out a close game as we have largely been on the rack and well behind on the scoreboard. Even this season, we had built up such big leads against out of sorts teams we didn’t really need to close the game, but we still managed to let Leeds (2), Saints (2), Catalans (1) run in late tries and put ourselves under unnecessary pressure. I guess this comes with experience and that’s something that you cant buy, unfortunately it comes from losing in the way we did yesterday.

As a footnote, I thought the Hull support was excellent in number and voice, well done Airlie Birds.

The problems with the RHS defence can't be laid at JOC's door. Purdham at 4th man in was exhausted at 60 mins (probably earlier), Gale at 3rd man in is one of weakest defenders we have and starting with Clubb and switching to Pryce at 2nd man in is asking for trouble. By the time JOC is asked to do anything, the RHS defence has already been busted due to individual misses/poor communication/poor decision-making. Teams will continue to target the gap either side of Gale I'm afraid and he needs to build a relationship with his centre (Clubb) and he needs a high-energy defender inside him (Purdham to start, Golden as an option to spell).

It was the first of these that was the turning point for me. 30-16 up, Hull well and truly on the ropes and seemingly not having had the ball in hand in our half since before the first of our three quick tries. One of their blokes makes to play the ball no more than five yards from his own line and Burnett just walks into him and taps the ball away. Why? There was no need to slow the play down, it's not as if they might have launched a rapid attack against a broken field. They gained a good thirty yards from that penalty, then forced another set near our line with a high kick to the corner which we knocked on, and scored off that. From that moment Hull suddenly looked far more confident. The Howell penalty was brainless too, especially as he'd done well to bring the bloke down in the first place, but the game was already back in the balance by this point for me.

At 30 - 16 my friend turned to me and said "that's the match then". I told him it was too early and that Quins could lose it.

Sadly I was right.

The burnett penalty on the Hull line actually i think was pretty harsh although I was a fair distance away. It was a handover! there is no reason that they should be allowed to play the ball quickly and most refs should allow the defence to set, it looked to me like Burnett was only trying to get back to the defensive line, it is very different from having completed a tackle and then not getting out of the way
But!! like i say I was at the other end of the stand so could be wrong and the ref was closer

Howell needs some anger management training.

Hull were poor and out on their feet up to the penalty.

Tackling was our achillies heel yesterday. It was pretty much non existant.

I see the "AGAR OUT" poster that was at the back of the North stand prior to the match disappeared quickly.

thats because they were asked to leave the ground 10 minutes before halftime

I'm not sure our tackling was that bad(accepting what happened in the last 10 mins)- We had sets where we held them to 20 and 30 metres from there line- Where we seemed to struggle was once the line was broke we couldn't adjust- Both of there first 2 tries came from breaks we broke down but couldnt stop the next wave.

That was a real bad loss for several reasons.

Ellis was excellent, we lost direction when he went of, Ward did about 70 mins of hard graft, Clubby looks better at centre than in the past.

No point me going over all that's been said again but just to agree with most of it is the easy way.

On the Randall/Ellis issue for who goes where when eliis goes of. Well like most here i don't no what game RP's watching but by now he must see what we the fans see that Nick the Greek is a forward but sure is no Hooker. I try to count how many times the forwards had to stop their runs because he was to slow at the PTB, he gives knocks on from that position so many times due to his size and having to bend down for it.

Why cant he if hes going to spell Ellis move Randall to Hooker (like we ask) and then have Bailey move to SO and if he has to have Nick the Greek in the 17 on the bench then bring him on at LF.

On Jamie C and his knock on which lead to the Hull try. I sit up in the Disabled Balcony and this happened right in front of me. Yes he should have made more of a jump for it or at least got the Hull player, but TBH some of this blame should fall to Pryce as well he was stood in front of Jamie he make to go forward and then just stopped and left it at last minute to Jamie C. IMO Pryce should have called and gone for it as he is twice the size of Briscoe and could have got the ball alot easier then Jamie C.

A couple of thing which worry me is the fittest levels, and playing Randall/Purds for the full 80 minutes. If RP going to rota Ellis then maybe he should when he bring Ellis back on be swapping him for Randall to give him a rest and the same said for Purds, i noticed RP rests Baliey when maybe its Purds who needs it more.

Going into the Bulls game some hard choices are going to have to be made. He cant mess with the team to much. but if Golden is fit then he needs to be the bench and if hes not then maybe Melling drops to the bench (he can cover most positions in the team even Hooker) and have Calderwood on the wing. I wont say if he had been there in place of Melling when he got held up or he would have scored it,but you cant help feel that the odds would have been more in Calderwoods favour if it had been him there.

If none of these choices are available then maybe bring back Ben Bolger/Krasniqi or even take a chance and blood young Tomas that a few others have talked about on here and seen play. I would say Mellor but i dont think hes come back from Wigan or even coming back so the final option would be Sarginson,but as i dont know much about him i will see what others have to say about him and if they feel he ready for the step up to the first team.

Krasniqi out for about 3 weeks with rib cartilage damage suffered in the U20's

For me the major turning point in the momentum was Burnett's pointless and needless penalty. At that point Hull had only progressed about 20-30 metres in their previous couple of sets and were looking demoralised. Instead penalty given and before you know it they were up the over end scoring and getting some belief back.

Quins do also seem to concede some very easy tries. At times it's like the defence just opens up and invites the attacking team to walk through untouched and score. Completely baffling.

I couldn't agree more with the original poster. I am often exasparated at how we give away stupid penalties, but the two yesterday made me livid. I trust Rob has made it clear that there can be no excuse for letting everyone down in this way.

I had a similar experience with a mate saying that it was a chance to help our points difference. He said the same thing at a game last year that we then went on to lose.

Forget blaming Pryce (who I'd have thought is about as close to playing first grade at Wigan as I am), Randall et al. I blame Duncan Disorderly!

I think it's already been said by so many, 30 - 16 with ten to go, the game should have been wrapped up, and I thought we can put last weeks Warrington result down to being a blip. Clearly I was wrong, our defence for those last few minutes appeared non existant

Colly/AlanW, Jason Golden is out a while at the moment, three weeks ago he said he said he had a broken pubic bone. Before yesterdays game he said it is now a disease of the pubic bone and that he is on a six week course of alternative therapy and doesn't know if it's going to be successful

It was 30-16 with 22 to go, if it had been 10 we would have hung on.

Yes, under the high ball, Jamie wasn't that great, you cannot fault his work ethic, he constantly goes in field looking for the ball, he's just like Sharp, KP, someone who's 6th whatever really should of been contesting those high bombs, or at least try to provide some cover for Jamie as he attempts to catch it. Personally, I don't care if KP stays with us or goes back to Wigan, I haven't seen anything from him that makes me want him to stay.

Someone mentioned Clubb moving to right centre, he didn't move to the centre position, Clubb moved into SR when Pryce came on for Bailey(?), and Pryce took his place at centre.

On another point, I hope Hull get rid of Long at the end of the season, and bring in some quality at half back, they were relying on him for direction, and kicking on the last, their kicking was woeful at times, and only put in one good kick the whole game. Hope Hull all the best for the rest of the season

J o'C was safe as houses under the high ball apart from one if my memory serves me right.

Pryce and O'C are as bad as each other in defence. O'C does well enough in attack.

One peculiar moment I recall from Sunday was when Kouparitsas' shirt got completely ripped to pieces in a tackle. He went to the bench and pulled on a new shirt and several dozen people in the posh seats broke into a ripple of applause. There was argument on here last year about whether or not players deserved to be applauded off the field at the end of particularly poor performances - but applauding someone for putting on a shirt? That's ridiculous!.

We noticed that as well

I can only remember him dropping one too. He's pretty strong bringing the ball out from deep in our half but he does need to attack the line with more a lot more conviction. He had a golden opportunity near the line in the first half but seemed slow to react and then took the wrong option IMO. Improving though.

Dave Williams played for Featherstone against Halifax on Thrsday evening. The first time he went near the ball he and a team-mate had a nasty collision resulting in Williams breaking his nose quite badly on his team-mate's shoulder. He played on for around another 30 minutes bandaged around his face "A-la Andy Farrell" a few years back. He had lost the bandaging, but was sporting two partial shiners at the Stoop on Sunday afternoon. As to whether he is back with us, or just having a weekend away from Fev, I don't know