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| Who knows the Million quid game could even be two championship sides!
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"Who knows the Million quid game could even be two championship sides!'"
Yeah, and that might be a squadron of pigs in formation going past my window.
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| Perry, Swapping 2 teams up and down in a 12 team comp is too much, what do you base that on? It's your opinion others may think otherwise.
Same as others may think the million pound game will have the squadron of pigs flying past and the new system may become the best thing that has happened to the game.
As a matter of interest what were/are your thoughts on the grand final and way that is decided
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| We should start looking at how bestto avoid relegation as the top 4 is a dream at this stage
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"We should start looking at how bestto avoid relegation as the top 4 is a dream at this stage'"
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"Perry, Swapping 2 teams up and down in a 12 team comp is too much, what do you base that on?'" Simple maths. One team represents a twelfth of the division, two teams a sixth.
Quote ="mickyb1234"It's your opinion others may think otherwise.'" Yes it is, and this is a forum where people discuss and offer their opinions.
Quote ="mickyb1234"Same as others may think the million pound game will have the squadron of pigs flying past and the new system may become the best thing that has happened to the game.'" I stand by my opinion that the system is designed to ensure that relegation remains a remote risk for SL clubs.
Quote ="mickyb1234"As a matter of interest what were/are your thoughts on the grand final and way that is decided'" I suspect this is just a trolling exercise by yourself, but for what it's worth I think the play offs should be the top six sides, i.e. the top half of the table. They expanded it to the top 8 to try and maintain interest at the foot of the table in the absence of P&R.
I'd like top 6 in the playoffs, straight relegation, 1 up/down. And yes this is my opinion, if you don't like other people expressing their opinion, a forum might not be for you.
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| Quote ="Perry"Simple maths. One team represents a twelfth of the division, two teams a sixth.
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And yet the Premiership in football is almost a sixth (3 from 20) and they don't see it as a big deal.
The issue in RL, which has been the case since SL started, is that the funding has not been equiatable. at least the new structure addresses this a little. Though as has been stated it is designed to keep the status quo.
And having said that I amd expecting Leigh to go up by rights and the million pound game to be contested between 2 of the SL sides with maybe Bradford in the mix. just to disapoint the RFL.
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| Quote ="FevGrinder"And yet the Premiership in football is almost a sixth (3 from 20) and they don't see it as a big deal...'"
Very true, but then again there are only two seasons of the Premiership where at least one promoted club didn't go straight back down, which suggests that three is too many.
The results suggest (and I think you concede this in your post) that Leigh are the only team with a realistic chance of promotion, and of cutting it in SL when they get there. If we did have 2 up/2 down, I suspect that the second promoted side would be whipping boys most years.
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| Not trolling in the slightest just interested what thoughts are, when it was first introduced it was seen as blatant money making exercise by the rfl, personally I don't like the way they made it top 8, in fact from the super 8 s at least that's one thing that has been simplified.
The RFL go round the buoy trying to find ways to make the game better, the play offs some hate but you only have to go to old Trafford to see its one change that worked despite those that hated it at the start.
Possibly and I do say possibly, the 8s might not be as bad as some think, but it is a way of making the season worthwhile all season.
Maybe bottom team in sl playing top league in champ could be an option for sl place, but let's not assume it's gonna be rubbish till its proven to be.
No doubt there will be a spanking or two, but then there already has been.
I already put enough into it anyhow but I will put £50 to rl cares if there is not at least one change to next year's sl line up
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| You're clearly more optimistic than I am. I think Leigh are the only club with a realistic shout, and even then it's a slim chance.
One thing I've been told about the middle 8 is that the SL club will always get home advantage, if true I wonder if that means the Championship clubs won't get any revenue?
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| Well if you went and looked instead of listening to what someone has told you, top 2 in champ get 4 home games, top gets to face one sl team at home, team that finishes second gets 3 sl teams at home 3rd gets one sl team at home 4th get 2 sl teams at home so why would they not get the revenue?
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| It's pretty simple sl 9 10th place champ 1 2 placed get 4 home 3 away games sl 11 12th camp 3 4th get 3 home 4 away, higher you finish more revenue
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| Not that we get any revenue from the games before gutters chips in
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| Well you've found me out there, because I hadn't looked it up.
Can't help feeling that you could've combined all three posts into one, or are you trying to bump your stats up?
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"Not that we get any revenue from the games before gutters chips in'"
Im sure ak is hanging out for the mass hoardes of wakefield to make it worth his while keeping us as tennants in 2016.....
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| this team will be lucky to stall in this league and barring a miracle we can forget SL
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| Quote ="itsmeagain"this team will be lucky to stall in this league and barring a miracle we can forget SL'"
Very easy league to fall into..The hardest to get out of.
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| I think Leigh will earn promotion, even Bradford have an outside chance, I doubt whether 3rd 'n 4th will have any chance at all, but if your in it, technically, you can win it!
And if not.
We have a chance at the Championship silverware, in fact some of the 'Fax fans are already saying 5th or 6th and a potential Championship final is 'prolly better than 7 -kickings!
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"some of the 'Fax fans are already saying 5th or 6th and a potential Championship final is 'prolly better than 7 -kickings!'"
I'm in agreement with them.
It is a sad indictment of how far we have fallen in 6 years, but mid table mediocrity in the 2nd tier is probably where we belong.
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| The indictment seems fair to me Jim.Given the six years you have had to rise.
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| Quote ="atomic"The indictment seems fair to me Jim.Given the six years you have had to rise.'"
Not really "fair" but probably deserved.
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| Quote ="Perry"Very true, but then again there are only two seasons of the Premiership where at least one promoted club didn't go straight back down, which suggests that three is too many.
The results suggest (and I think you concede this in your post) that Leigh are the only team with a realistic chance of promotion, and of cutting it in SL when they get there. If we did have 2 up/2 down, I suspect that the second promoted side would be whipping boys most years.'"
I would tend to agree with all of this, but I am sure most of the fans of those clubs that went up and straight back downn enjoyed their day in the sun as it were.
Back to RL I would propose a slightly different flavour that is like the way football promotion was done at one time.
Championship 1 team gets promoted in place of SL12, then a mini league of SL11, Champ 2, 3 & 4 play home and away for a second potential promotion place. even a one off game between SL11 and Champ 2 would be of interest, but maybe not enough games for the RFL.
Personally I would prefer automatic promotion even if it was just 1 up one down.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"I'm in agreement with them.
It is a sad indictment of how far we have fallen in 6 years, but mid table mediocrity in the 2nd tier is probably where we belong.'"
Jim,
There are some in RL circles that would suggest that London should have been been in mid table mediocrity in the 2nd tier (at best) for the last 20 years.
I'll take my tongue out of my cheek now.
As an outsider looking in, it appears to me that there has been a certain amount of miss-management in London over these 20 years and the previous 15 years for that mater. From 20k at Craven Cottage to less than 1k at the Hive doen't make good reading.
Good luck for the rest of the year except when you play us (Fev).
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| Quote ="FevGrinder"I would tend to agree with all of this, but I am sure most of the fans of those clubs that went up and straight back downn enjoyed their day in the sun as it were.
Back to RL I would propose a slightly different flavour that is like the way football promotion was done at one time.
Championship 1 team gets promoted in place of SL12, then a mini league of SL11, Champ 2, 3 & 4 play home and away for a second potential promotion place. even a one off game between SL11 and Champ 2 would be of interest, but maybe not enough games for the RFL.
Personally I would prefer automatic promotion even if it was just 1 up one down.'"
Well earlier on in this thread I expressed a preference for the top 6 in the playoffs, with 1 automatically relegated at the bottom to be replaced by the playoff winner from the lower division.
However, following on from your suggestion, how about the Championship playoffs being the top 5 and the bottom SL club?
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| I prefer to see how the current structure pans out. We can make assumptions forever more, and how anyone can make a judgement before seeing the middle 8's in action, is beyond me.
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