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| Had the pleasure of doing something else today so didn't listen to commentary, but followed game "posthumously", not knowing result, by going back about 6 hours on twitter and then rolling forward.
Players being dumped are no doubt uninterested. No solution - coach can't replace them by kids who'd just get battered.
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| Well thats the last of my cash they'll have for this season, Grima has to get real and remember theres a product to sell, I don't buy broken eggs or mouldy bread, I ain't paying to watch this either!
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"Well thats the last of my cash they'll have for this season, Grima has to get real and remember theres a product to sell, I don't buy broken eggs or mouldy bread, I ain't paying to watch this either!'"
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| Looking on the bright side, only another 160 mins left to go.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"A broken man....'"
Yep!
You'd have thought they'd have had the decency to wait 'til the end of the season before offloading the best players, instead a crap product getting (marginally) better has actually got a shedload worse. Not sure where Grima's at but so far he's worse than Rea was.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Oh dear.....sounds like another bit of class recruitment by Hughes. This brave new dawn isn't as wonderful as the fanboys would have us believe then.......and a massive drop in attendance after sts and pies.....
Jumpers for goalposts maybe before Hughes starts to do things right?'"
You are priceless. This is the one are you really can't comment on with any authority as you haven't seen a game in goodness knows how long.
Instead you pick on the first negative comment on the coach and off you go, questioning Hughes recruitment policy.
Even you would appreciate the current coach has a thankless task trying to motivate a load of players who are just not up to the job and many of whom have been told they're off or have told the club they're off.
Anyway only 5 games to go thank goodness.
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| Quote ="PC Plum"You are priceless. This is the one are you really can't comment on with any authority as you haven't seen a game in goodness knows how long.
Instead you pick on the first negative comment on the coach and off you go, questioning Hughes recruitment policy.
Even you would appreciate the current coach has a thankless task trying to motivate a load of players who are just not up to the job and many of whom have been told they're off or have told the club they're off.
Anyway only 5 games to go thank goodness.'"
The negative post I picked up was from captain positive himself, crusader Pete. Give this lionhearted fan was predicting a safe finish in the SL with wins "just around the corner" his sudden declaration that he won't be back this year is yet another signpost on he clubs road to oblivion. The only positive I can see from the club is that when it goes over the cliff, you and the other fanboys who go with it won't feel any pain because your grinning inanely, thankful that you had a team to follow in he first place!
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| Quote ="PC Plum"the first negative comment on the coach '"
Criticism of Grima is warranted if you ask me.
Being gubbed by Wigan & Saints is one thing.
Being gubbed by Hull KR is quite another.
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| Quote ="Cowgirl Nostalgist"Criticism of Grima is warranted if you ask me.
Being gubbed by Wigan & Saints is one thing.
Being gubbed by Hull KR is quite another.'"
I don't disagree. But he isn't going to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is he.
Crap unmotivated players isn't exactly a recipe for success even if it was Gordon Ramsay at the stove.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"The negative post I picked up was from captain positive himself, crusader Pete. Give this lionhearted fan was predicting a safe finish in the SL with wins "just around the corner" his sudden declaration that he won't be back this year is yet another signpost on he clubs road to oblivion. The only positive I can see from the club is that when it goes over the cliff, you and the other fanboys who go with it won't feel any pain because your grinning inanely, thankful that you had a team to follow in he first place!'"
Is fanboy your new pet term for us .... love it !!!
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| Quote ="PC Plum"Is fanboy your new pet term for us .... love it !!!'"
If the baseball cap fits )backwards( then knock yourself out!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Oh dear.....sounds like another bit of class recruitment by Hughes. This brave new dawn isn't as wonderful as the fanboys would have us believe then.......and a massive drop in attendance after sts and pies.....
Jumpers for goalposts maybe before Hughes starts to do things right?'"
Enjoy it as we know you do. Fan boys, boy you enjoy the you spout. The club is dead and you have achieved your ambition. You'll spout some , sorry seventy lines of incomprehensible , even suggesting that this isn't what you wanted, you'll make some excuse that your being mis-represented but you'll carry on.
The rest of us go to games, support the club, e as it is and look for the positive, even if we all actually know where we are. You appear unable to see that but I think you know that too. So enjoy your life, enjoy your trip to the Bradford game and carry on. Hopefully one day you'll earn the right to be as desperately lonely as you clearly are.
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| Quote ="Southern Reiver"Enjoy it as we know you do. Fan boys, boy you enjoy the poop you spout. The club is dead and you have achieved your ambition. You'll spout some rubbish, sorry seventy lines of incomprehensible poop, even suggesting that this isn't what you wanted, you'll make some excuse that your being mis-represented but you'll carry on.
The rest of us go to games, support the club, poop as it is and look for the positive, even if we all actually know where we are. You appear unable to see that but I think you know that too. So enjoy your life, enjoy your trip to the Bradford game and carry on. Hopefully one day you'll earn the right to be as desperately lonely as you clearly are.'"
And you accuse me of posting incomprehensible poop?
You obviously aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? You mistake my continuous, loud and extremely repetitive postings on the welfare of the club as a business as my "wanting them to fail", rather than what they really were...which was continuous, Loud and extremely repetitive WARNINGS.
The fact that the idiot Oil Broker and a procession of his hand picked employees who were incapable of doing what they were employed to do managed to it up whilst referring to my musings (in public)with mirth makes it all the more infuriating that the club I follow, to the extent where I am planning a trip home around the Bradford Game at no small expense is going to the wall inside the next 18 months.
But, because I'm NOT THERE.......because I don't FIND THE POSITIVES IN EVERYTHING.......because I post what YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR, you decide to pronounce me the ANTI-FAN?
Fuck me sideways.......some of the fanboys on here deserve what Hughes has decided to leave of the club. It will not rise Phoenix like from the ashes BTW.......it's not worth 2/10th of SFA to any potential new investors, so without Hughes, we're buggered.....and guess what, with Hughes we're looking at more buggery....difference is, I won't take it lying down with a grateful smile on my face like some of you!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I won't take it lying down with a grateful smile on my face like some of you!'"
So what exactly are you doing to prevent it (except posting on a forum that no one at the club probably reads)?
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| Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"So what exactly are you doing to prevent it (except posting on a forum that no one at the club probably reads)?'"
He's a pussy. He won't do anything. I suggested he took it up directly with David Hughes when he's over but he wormed out of that. It would involve face to face and he doesn't that.
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| Quote ="PC Plum"He's a pussy. He won't do anything. I suggested he took it up directly with David Hughes when he's over but he wormed out of that. It would involve face to face and he doesn't that.'"
Feel free to post where I wormed out of anything of the sort or retract your inaccurate and wholly false accusation........
Here's the exchange you're referring to.....
Quote Quote ="PC Plum"I get the impression you'll only be happy when your doomsday scenario occurs. I think you said you were over for the Bulls game (dont forget to pack your anorak calculator and happy pills) will you be tackling the abysmal failure of David Hughes directly with the man or are you just another spineless keyboard warrior?'"
If given the opportunity I will ask him what he intends to so with the club he has saved then destroyed. I have no qualms about asking him but I doubt I'll get a straight answer. I wouldn't expect a civil reception either, but I've never been about making friends.....I've always been about making the club a successful business.'"
.....If you're going to tell porkies, can I suggest you think them through first? It'll stop you looking like a ing idiot and a bitter one at that.....will you retract, or are you the spineless one here that can't admit your mistake?
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| I think we are all well aware the future is highly dubious. We are full time next year largely due to a one off payment to cushion us. It's pretty obvious that is a dodgy scenario, especially when the main money man is of retirement age.
I'm not sure that anyone is cheerleading this club to death. Lots have walked. Others, myself included, only attend occasionally games. 600 or so stick it out. I'd suggest they will be hurting the most. Even DSGW said she was struggling to keep going, CrusaderPete has walked. His name shows how much that must hurt him. OK so some of our fans pre season predictions were rose tinted, so what? Not pointing out every five minutes all is well does not equal content with the situation.
If someone comes up with a viable plan it's put up or shut up time for all of us. In reality we have a Chairman who has never shown any interest in working with fans and a funding gap that probably makes a full time fan owned club impractical. If someone can see a way forward, let them speak. Personally I can't.
A semi pro fan owned Broncos is potentially possible but would it actually be a good idea? It would be fighting a proven semi proven semi pro team for the same players. Skolars have a junior set up, Broncos wouldn't.(The academy would require third party funding to survive realistically.) We'd end up with wage inflation for the few people interested in playing that level, and two weak teams probably dragging each other under.
We are at a critical time for southern RL. The next couple of years could easily see more than one of our 'pro' sides collapse and the academy system die. No-one wants that.
If anyone has ideas I'm all ears. I don't have a solution and see no value in repeatedly posting that it's dodgy without having something a little more concrete to offer. I think most posters on this board feel similar.
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| Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"So what exactly are you doing to prevent it (except posting on a forum that no one at the club probably reads)?'"
The Club used to read these boards, but now they prefer to ignore the thoughts of the few (getting fewer) fans they have and plough on with their master-plan for making the club stable enough to stand on its own....
As for trying to prevent it? Sadly.....even though I and a great deal of better fans than I have tried over the years, the club has continued to shoot itself in the foot, whilst the aforementioned limb was firmly wedged in it's own mouth.
Halfdan of t'wide embrace...I agree with you that going over it again and again is pointless, but it is still slightly better than trying to eek out any positives from the performances of the team this year. No new Investor would touch this club in SL, so we haven't a hope in the lower league....it all could have been so different.
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| I think we can all agree with you on the final paragraph. That's the worst thing, this was not inevitable at all.
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| Quote In reality we have a Chairman who has never shown any interest in working with fans and a funding gap that probably makes a full time fan owned club impractical. If someone can see a way forward, let them speak. Personally I can't.'"
Quote A semi pro fan owned Broncos is potentially possible but would it actually be a good idea? It would be fighting a proven semi proven semi pro team for the same players. Skolars have a junior set up, Broncos wouldn't.(The academy would require third party funding to survive realistically.) We'd end up with wage inflation for the few people interested in playing that level, and two weak teams probably dragging each other under.'"
I believe in our sport and have always been of the opinion that a well run and stable pro club should be able to operate without subsidy from a Sugar Daddy. The issue for us of course is the well run and stable bit; this will only come post Hughes and only he determines how smooth any transition would or could be. I hope he thinks long and hard about his legacy - it is still not too late to make it a good one!
Super League clubs (the successful ones!) are probably equal in size to Conference football teams; Leeds and Catalans operating budgets for this year are reported at around £8m, everyone else is lower than that. To deliver this in London would be at least a ten year project (with no start date as yet) but with hard work and vision it can be done. Find a host commmunity (I don't think Edgeware is the one for long term success) and stick with it - we can deliver a meaningful and growing junior setup whatever level we'll be playing in.
The reality of course is that in 2016 the Club will probably need to transition to part time anyway so speculation about a part or full time supporter owned Broncos is really not relevant. That would be the starting position for any new regime - supporter owned or not - and I trust we the fans more than any here today gone tomorrow Sugar Daddy to deliver long term for Rugby League in London.
At the end of last season when we didn't know whether there would be a Broncos or not, my wife and I lobbied fans for interest in a possible Supporters Trust. Even in those circumstances many people with really useful skills for such an enterprise came forward, and a lot of people pledged four figure annual contributions to help deliver a successful Broncos.
I hope that we get an opportunity to shape the Club's future; the time to start this is long overdue but we must not dismiss what we can achieve with hard work and focus.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Feel free to post where I wormed out of anything of the sort or retract your inaccurate and wholly false accusation........
Here's the exchange you're referring to.....
.....If you're going to tell porkies, can I suggest you think them through first? It'll stop you looking like a loving idiot and a bitter one at that.....will you retract, or are you the spineless one here that can't admit your mistake?'"
M'Lud, I refer the honourable genetlemen to the statement 'Homeless in 2015 ......'
We need say no more.
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| Quote ="PC Plum"M'Lud, I refer the honourable genetlemen to the statement 'Homeless in 2015 ......'
We need say no more.'"
Are you drunk?
You said I'd wormed out of a possible face to face with Hughes to enquire as to what his intentions are post 2015.........I have not the foggiest what the thread regarding 2015's venue for home games )still TBC) has to so with your blatant lie!
Man up and admit you were wrong or are you truly spineless?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Are you drunk?
You said I'd wormed out of a possible face to face with Hughes to enquire as to what his intentions are post 2015.........I have not the foggiest what the thread regarding 2015's venue for home games )still TBC) has to so with your blatant lie!
Man up and admit you were wrong or are you truly spineless?'"
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| Quote ="gutterfax"The only positive I can see from the club is that when it goes over the cliff, you and the other fanboys who go with it won't feel any pain because your grinning inanely, thankful that you had a team to follow in he first place!'"
So those of us who are loyal to the [uclub[/u are now derided as 'fanboys' are we? The fact that you exclude yourself speaks volumes.
Let me tell you something you would only know if you actually went to games. A load of Hull KR fans told us how they'd stuck with HKR when they were down to a few hundred fans ,when they were days from folding for good, when there seemed no hope, when they were in a similar position to where we are now. They were full of encouragement and told us to keep the faith and stick with it, they'd turned the corner and so would we.
They might be right, they might be wrong, but those remarks from true die hard fans of the game and their club mean far more to me that the inane name calling of someone thousands of miles away telling everybody how important he is.
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