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| Please can we stay at The Stoop. It's a top stadium and it's easy for me to get to
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| Quote ="Essex Quin"Millwall - The Millwall ground, The New Den, ticks all the boxes, the area ticks the boxes but then theres two factors against the club; rent and image. I imagine renting out The Den just to get 3,000 in will be a poor business move and the costs going out to Millwall through rent, use of bars etc will outweigh the money going into the Rugby League side. Also, Milwall are known world over for one thing; violence. The dark days of the 80's may be behind us but there's still problems at some Millwall, especially the Leeds games and I'm sure there'd be a risk that some Millwall "fans" would turn up the day Leeds Rhinos were in town just for that. Rugby League, as we know, is a family sport and Millwall is just a bad idea.
QPR - Great place, surrounded by Antipodeans, Kiwis and South Africans. 19,100 is the official capacity for the ground, the ground is so tight to the pitch that you can hear the collisions and the slating going on, however, leg room is poor, something that could be put up with, I suppose. The ground is in close proximity to White City station and offers the "family experience". A husband and wife come down with their two kids for the weekend or even the day and Dad and lad can watch the Rugby and Mum and Daughter can go round the Westfield for the day. The only thing is do QPR want a Rugby team "ruining" their ground, Wigan Athletic FC have always had complaints about their playing surface and I'm not sure QPR would want that.
Brentford - 12,700+ capacity, experience of playing on that ground before, four pubs in close proximity, close to the motorway, just a bit far on the Tube but close by overground train. Don't know if the RFL require a certain amount of seats at the ground (?), as three sides are standing. Previously had 4,000 crowds regularly when previously played there, so it'd be a good starter.
Charlton - 27,111 attendance, so I imagine the rent is pretty high. Close by public transport. Can't see them wanting Rugby League back and I can't see it being viable playing in a 27,000 capacity ground.
Leyton Orient - The only problem is the capacity. The ground is a five minute walk from the tube station, their is a pub near the ground, two bars at the ground and their is talk that they want a 15,000 seater stadium on the Olympic site (would the RFL let the club off on that ground criteria?). Getting "in" with Barry Hearn is actually a exceptional idea. He runs his Football club like a business, he'll not give his manager money to go out and spend in the hope they go up/stay up and he's turned Darts and Snooker around. Darts is effectively a pub game and now its a atmospheric occasion with big money involved. The proximity to Stratford is also a big factor. The youth side, Hainault Bulldogs are up the road, Brentwood Elvers isn't far up the road, Skolars is a very short drive away, Tower Hamlets has been in the London RL news recently and there are Hainault, Phantoms, Mudchutes open age sides very close by.
Barnet - Too small, old ground, far from London, sloped pitch, small capacity.
I see it three ways between QPR, Brentford and Leyton Orient.'"
You missed the Stoop off the list. Odd because there it is the best of the lot. Moving ground will not solve any of our problems (unless someone is throwing us a lot of money to do it).
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| Leyton Orient in my view.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"You missed the Stoop off the list. Odd because there it is the best of the lot. Moving ground will not solve any of our problems (unless someone is throwing us a lot of money to do it).'"
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| Quote ="jbuzza"You missed the Stoop off the list. Odd because there it is the best of the lot. Moving ground will not solve any of our problems (unless someone is throwing us a lot of money to do it).'"
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If someone is willing to stump up £500k for us, then I'd rather see it spent on quality players. Moving stadium and another name change isn't going to bring in anymore fans, if we're playing the exact same team and losing every game. I wish someone at the club could see this, instead of trying to score the easy way out again.
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| [South London...........The A***Hole of London!!!!'"
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Please can we stay at The Stoop. It's a top stadium and it's easy for me to get to
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If we're thinking like that, then I suggest The Liberty Stadium, Swansea.
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| Quote ="Anthony Jones"If we're thinking like that, then I suggest The Liberty Stadium, Swansea.'"
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| Stay at The Stoop. Over the 30 years of RL in London, continually moving around the city has never improved our fan base. It's always been around 3,000 so moving to Millwall, QPR, Leyton Orient etc etc and still playing infront of the same spectator numbers would made zero difference.
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www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/-/feature ... r-the-dons
With AFC Wimbledon in a play-off against Luton Town for a place in the Football League, are they someone we should consider getting in contact with were we to be interested in setting permanent foundations in London and the South East.
The football club currently achieves a 3500 average home gate at Kingsmeadow which is the home of Kingstonian FC. AFC Wimbledon have a desire to return closer to their traditional home. The general Wimbledon area would be not much further out of central London than Twickenham and does have underground and overground stations in that area.
Just thinking that we can't do it ourselves, and Wimbledon may have the support of authorities that we could not rely upon and the finances may be alot easier to secure for the year-round use 10,000 seater stadium in the general area of Wimbledon in London, something that David Hughes has alluded to. A 50% share of a stadium would have us in a better position than other super league clubs and would it be a better use of David Hughes money to put say £8m down via whatever means, rather than drain his money away around £1.5m a season.
I'm not saying we should hawk ourselves out to AFC Wimbledon in desperation, latching onto whomever may want to build, but from the outside it does seem to be a better fit than Harlequins and RL, but how much more of a marriage of convenience would it be as we would be seen as minor partners unless we had a 51% ownership of the ground.
Wimbledon is not the nice expensive houses and tennis, the surrounding area is sprawling suburbia and the area of Merton is surrounded by Kingston, Morden, Wandsworth, New Malden, etc and would be closer to our original homes of Fulham and also the Valley. A club in the North and South of London can only help the game, but would be nice if the Skolars could make the leap up to the Championship and bring a genuine sense of rivalry.
Pie in the sky or a roadmap forward when our deal at the Stoop comes to an end three years down the line. A move of 10 miles would not be the end of the community program in the Twickenham area, and I reckon a permanent home could only help the community program across London in the long run. I'm not David Hughes, and I don't know his finances, but I reckon this is something to look at for the future of rugby league in London, because at the end of 2014 there is no guarantees on anything.
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With AFC Wimbledon in a play-off against Luton Town for a place in the Football League, are they someone we should consider getting in contact with were we to be interested in setting permanent foundations in London and the South East.
The football club currently achieves a 3500 average home gate at Kingsmeadow which is the home of Kingstonian FC. AFC Wimbledon have a desire to return closer to their traditional home. The general Wimbledon area would be not much further out of central London than Twickenham and does have underground and overground stations in that area.
Just thinking that we can't do it ourselves, and Wimbledon may have the support of authorities that we could not rely upon and the finances may be alot easier to secure for the year-round use 10,000 seater stadium in the general area of Wimbledon in London, something that David Hughes has alluded to. A 50% share of a stadium would have us in a better position than other super league clubs and would it be a better use of David Hughes money to put say £8m down via whatever means, rather than drain his money away around £1.5m a season.
I'm not saying we should hawk ourselves out to AFC Wimbledon in desperation, latching onto whomever may want to build, but from the outside it does seem to be a better fit than Harlequins and RL, but how much more of a marriage of convenience would it be as we would be seen as minor partners unless we had a 51% ownership of the ground.
Wimbledon is not the nice expensive houses and tennis, the surrounding area is sprawling suburbia and the area of Merton is surrounded by Kingston, Morden, Wandsworth, New Malden, etc and would be closer to our original homes of Fulham and also the Valley. A club in the North and South of London can only help the game, but would be nice if the Skolars could make the leap up to the Championship and bring a genuine sense of rivalry.
Pie in the sky or a roadmap forward when our deal at the Stoop comes to an end three years down the line. A move of 10 miles would not be the end of the community program in the Twickenham area, and I reckon a permanent home could only help the community program across London in the long run. I'm not David Hughes, and I don't know his finances, but I reckon this is something to look at for the future of rugby league in London, because at the end of 2014 there is no guarantees on anything.
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| Quote ="Londo06"A 50% share of a stadium would have us in a better position than other super league clubs and would it be a better use of David Hughes money to put say £8m down via whatever means, rather than drain his money away around £1.5m a season.'"
I'll say it slowly....because some on here must have trouble grasping the fact. M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G.
It makes no difference what we are called or where we play....it is either a tradition of the club or DH not wanting to "waste" money marketing, but we could play in a state of the art stadium in Oxford Circus and no bu99er would roll up unless they have been invited to.
1,000,000 of David Hughes reported 1,500,000 a year should be spent on marketing.......that's what would turn the crowds around......obviously it being spent on playing/coaching staff is getting the required results
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| I say it slowly and spell it out W - I - N - N - I - N - G. You can market it all you like put a losing team is one that wont generate new fans,
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"I say it slowly and spell it out W - I - N - N - I - N - G. You can market it all you like put a losing team is one that wont generate new fans,'"
Spot on. You would be mad to spend a million marketing the current team.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"Spot on. You would be mad to spend a million marketing the current team.'"
Wrong.....but apply for the marketing role......that attitude will assure of the job at Quins RL.
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| If it was all about winning, then why do we keep turning up?
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| Quote ="The Curtism"If it was all about winning, then why do we keep turning up?'"
Because the club has become important to us and its part of our routine. Even amongst these fans numbers will dwindle when folks have nothing to get excited about.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I'll say it slowly....because some on here must have trouble grasping the fact. M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G.
It makes no difference what we are called or where we play....it is either a tradition of the club or DH not wanting to "waste" money marketing, but we could play in a state of the art stadium in Oxford Circus and no bu99er would roll up unless they have been invited to.
1,000,000 of David Hughes reported 1,500,000 a year should be spent on marketing.......that's what would turn the crowds around......obviously it being spent on playing/coaching staff is getting the required results
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I get that we need to market ourselves properly, but surely we should at least be an aim to market ourselves from our home base, rather than our base of operations.
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| Marketing is marginally more important than Winning, right now the Quins could go unbeaten all season and win the lot but still no one would know about it.
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| Marketing, smarketing, a part of the whole not the whole itself.
As a collective group those involved have to understand that like it or not Rugby League is a niche sport in the UK, and it's not one that specifically is of interest regardless of how much or how well it is promoted, to the majority of people in the South.
Whatever is said about previous levels of marketing spend, the unanswered point is this, we have all in years gone by, brought friends along who probably have all expressed an opinion that says they like what they saw, we have also all known of many many people in the stands whose faces have dissapeared over the years, despite them being as commited supporters of the club and sport.
That's bodies through the gates and bums on the seats and whatever other trite marketing phrase is required to be used, but the fact still remains that those people no longer wish to attend, at least not on a regular basis, perhaps with a winning team a few may return, but by no means all, for the simple reason, it's not something we grew up with, it's not ingrained in our home town mentality and it's not for whatever reason our first point of choice for a leisure activity.
So market the product and the club as much as you like, but it's proven fact that even when people know about the sport, know about the club, and even attend some games, you may well not retain them, and no amount of flash patter will alter that.
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| Quote ="Londo06"www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/-/features/4905/a-stadium-fit-for-the-dons
With AFC Wimbledon in a play-off against Luton Town for a place in the Football League, are they someone we should consider getting in contact with were we to be interested in setting permanent foundations in London and the South East.
The football club currently achieves a 3500 average home gate at Kingsmeadow which is the home of Kingstonian FC. AFC Wimbledon have a desire to return closer to their traditional home. The general Wimbledon area would be not much further out of central London than Twickenham and does have underground and overground stations in that area.
Just thinking that we can't do it ourselves, and Wimbledon may have the support of authorities that we could not rely upon and the finances may be alot easier to secure for the year-round use 10,000 seater stadium in the general area of Wimbledon in London, something that David Hughes has alluded to. A 50% share of a stadium would have us in a better position than other super league clubs and would it be a better use of David Hughes money to put say £8m down via whatever means, rather than drain his money away around £1.5m a season.
I'm not saying we should hawk ourselves out to AFC Wimbledon in desperation, latching onto whomever may want to build, but from the outside it does seem to be a better fit than Harlequins and RL, but how much more of a marriage of convenience would it be as we would be seen as minor partners unless we had a 51% ownership of the ground.
Wimbledon is not the nice expensive houses and tennis, the surrounding area is sprawling suburbia and the area of Merton is surrounded by Kingston, Morden, Wandsworth, New Malden, etc and would be closer to our original homes of Fulham and also the Valley. A club in the North and South of London can only help the game, but would be nice if the Skolars could make the leap up to the Championship and bring a genuine sense of rivalry.
Pie in the sky or a roadmap forward when our deal at the Stoop comes to an end three years down the line. A move of 10 miles would not be the end of the community program in the Twickenham area, and I reckon a permanent home could only help the community program across London in the long run. I'm not David Hughes, and I don't know his finances, but I reckon this is something to look at for the future of rugby league in London, because at the end of 2014 there is no guarantees on anything.'"
I really think there could be some mileage in this, to be honest this I really hope could be a serious option for our future . Although the Stoop offers much as a stadium, its about the only positive we have at the moment and it would be a shame to leave such a good ground. If, as has been suggested, a move could be on the cards then it needs to be well thought out and not just leaping into another tenancy with a football club. A shared stadium with AFC Wimbledon could be a much better way forward if we do move,rather than say going back to Griffin Park and whatever arrangements we had with Brentford.
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| Would that mean a name change to Wimbledon RLFC?
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Would that mean a name change to Wimbledon RLFC?'"
Well Wimbledon is in the London Borough of Merton and that is Greater London, so I see no reason why we couldn't call ourselves London whatever if we wanted to.
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| Quote ="Londo06"Well Wimbledon is in the London Borough of Merton and that is Greater London, so I see no reason why we couldn't call ourselves London whatever if we wanted to.'"
Even thought this move is hyperthetical which name convention would be more likely to engender closer relations with the local community wherever we ended up? it would still require a good decade to get into their mindsets wherever it was, but local identity would IMO work better than London whatevers, after all there's no Northern club called the Yorkshire **** or Lancashire ****
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| Quote ="Homer"after all there's no Northern club called the Yorkshire **** or Lancashire ****'"
Why do they always seem to cheer on that team called Yorkshire then?
You know, when they do that "Yorkshire, Yorkshire, Yorkshire" chant?
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| Quote ="Homer"Even thought this move is hyperthetical which name convention would be more likely to engender closer relations with the local community wherever we ended up? it would still require a good decade to get into their mindsets wherever it was, but local identity would IMO work better than London whatevers, after all there's no Northern club called the Yorkshire **** or Lancashire ****'"
Yeah I did think that anywhere we want to set down roots, we would need to set down roots and that would start with the name. At the same time Wimbledon RLFC would see us in a similar position to the one we are in; with AFC Wimbledon and Wimbledon RFC confusing the issue.
How about the London Crazy Gang.
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