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| Hi all, I've known for a few weeks that the sale of Underhill was going through and plans being drawn up for a school on the site but waited for it to be more generally known by Barnet fans before posting it here. If you look on the Barnet forum you will see that those in the know are under the impression that the bulldozers arrive on 15th December.
I do not know what this currently means to where Broncos train but if I hear anything I will let you know
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| Quote ="meliferra"Hi all, I've known for a few weeks that the sale of Underhill was going through and plans being drawn up for a school on the site but waited for it to be more generally known by Barnet fans before posting it here. If you look on the Barnet forum you will see that those in the know are under the impression that the bulldozers arrive on 15th December.
I do not know what this currently means to where Broncos train but if I hear anything I will let you know'"
Surely some mistake.......the set in stone 2013 2year deal is not being altered at all. The delay in 2015 ticket info must be because hughes was awaiting his compensation cheque from AK for breach of contract
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Quote ="gutterfax"Surely some mistake.......the set in stone 2013 2year deal is not being altered at all. The delay in 2015 ticket info must be because hughes was awaiting his compensation cheque from AK for breach of contract
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You are bloody tedious. The agreement to play at the Hive in return for ticket revenue and the rental of Underhill until development of the Hive is complete have always been separate.
Anyway the news is now public regarding the sale and Barnet FC's plans for South underhill. Would be great if anyone fancies signing one of the petitions
www.barnetsociety.org.uk/compone ... uld-return
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Quote ="gutterfax"Surely some mistake.......the set in stone 2013 2year deal is not being altered at all. The delay in 2015 ticket info must be because hughes was awaiting his compensation cheque from AK for breach of contract
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You are bloody tedious. The agreement to play at the Hive in return for ticket revenue and the rental of Underhill until development of the Hive is complete have always been separate.
Anyway the news is now public regarding the sale and Barnet FC's plans for South underhill. Would be great if anyone fancies signing one of the petitions
www.barnetsociety.org.uk/compone ... uld-return
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Quote ="meliferra"You are bloody tedious. The agreement to play at the Hive in return for ticket revenue and the rental of Underhill until development of the Hive is complete have always been separate.'"
Hmmm....more of the key negotiating skills that made the club what it is today.
Why would Brentford want to move to Barnet
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Hmmm....more of the key negotiating skills that made the club what it is today.
Why would Brentford want to move to Barnet
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| I'll happily sign the petition if you promise never to refer to Barnet as the Bees ever again?
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| There is only one team in London that play in Black and Amber and that's the Bees. All others are either forgeries or colour blind
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| Quote ="meliferra"There is only one team in London that play in Black and Amber and that's the Bees. All others are either forgeries or colour blind'"
Brentford are the bees. Barnet don't even play in Barnet FFS
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Brentford are the bees. Barnet don't even play in Barnet FFS'"
Where we play doesn't determine our nickname. Brentford are only called the B' s because that's how far their fans got with spelling where they come from. They liked the pretty animal picture next to the letter but sadly used the wrong pen in their attempts to colour it in.
It's ok, we don't hold it against them.
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| Quote ="meliferra"Where we play doesn't determine our nickname. Brentford are only called the B' s because that's how far their fans got with spelling where they come from. They liked the pretty animal picture next to the letter but sadly used the wrong pen in their attempts to colour it in.
It's ok, we don't hold it against them.'"
SPEAK UP MATE. YOU LOT ARE THAT FAR BEHIND US WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"SPEAK UP MATE. YOU LOT ARE THAT FAR BEHIND US WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
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Selective deafness. Probably best when a team in red thinks calling themselves bees is a good idea.
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| Quote ="meliferra"Where we play doesn't determine our nickname. Brentford are only called the B' s because that's how far their fans got with spelling where they come from. They liked the pretty animal picture next to the letter but sadly used the wrong pen in their attempts to colour it in.
It's ok, we don't hold it against them.'"
Oh dear me, no. Brentford have been the Bees since they were founded in 1888 as the winter sports section of the Brentford rowing Club, whose nickname it was.
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| Not seen that one, this is my reference to Brentford getting their name
Quote It wasn’t the team’s dramatic stripes that accounted for the club’s nickname. A local scribe is supposedly to have so eloquently put it before the turn of the century: “ the busy bees of Brentford, B being an abbreviation for Brentford of course, are filling their hive with the honey of success”. Eloquent yes, true no. The nickname came about soon after Joe Gettins, who became a well known player for Middlesbrough and Millwall Athletic, and also a student at nearby Borough Road College, started to play for Brentford. Some of his college friends came to see him play and chanted the college’s ‘war-cry’ “Buck up B’s”. The local press took up the name, but misinterpreted ‘B’s’ for ‘Bees’, and so the latter was used from then..'"
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| To be pedantic, the newspaper quote's from 1900 - the club were denied promotion to the top division of the Southern league that year due to promotion be decided by the 'Test match' play-off system (sound familiar to anyone?). You may well be right about the nickname's origin as according to Graham Haynes and Geoff Buckingham's 'The Brentford Story 1889 - 1979' ( the club played its first game in November 1889 and may well have been founded in that year and not 188icon_cool.gif they were known as the Bonny Boys in the early 1890s.
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| Back to the original post. Work has just started on the West stand extension. The increased space may mean there will be room for Broncos HQ to move.
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| Quote ="meliferra"Back to the original post. Work has just started on the West stand extension. The increased space may mean there will be room for Broncos HQ to move.'" Um, your original post was about Underhill, but the stand extension must be at The Hive, so you mean Broncos could move offices (yet again!)?
Still nothing on training facilities. Maybe they'll just stick to Hampstead Heath?
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| Sorry I wasn't clear. The reason Broncos are at Underhill is because there was insufficient space at the hive at the time. With the second phase of work commencing then the additional space should mean Broncos can be based and train at the Hive.
Whatever happens Broncos are almost certainly moving offices from Underhill as it has been sold to become a school.
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| Quote ="meliferra"Sorry I wasn't clear. The reason Broncos are at Underhill is because there was insufficient space at the hive at the time. With the second phase of work commencing then the additional space should mean Broncos can be based and train at the Hive.
Whatever happens Broncos are almost certainly moving offices from Underhill as it has been sold to become a school.'"
It was clear, just not explicit. Thanks anyway.
Broncos have had many "home" grounds but even more office locations.
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| Sadly the work at the Hive appears to be an extended canopy behind the stand rather than the full works. There is currently no evidence that the planning inspectorate has made a decision so the Hive are still waiting before they can start work properly.
A statement from TK is expected in the next few days so hopefully the situation will be clearer soon.
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| Quote ="meliferra"Sadly the work at the Hive appears to be an extended canopy behind the stand rather than the full works. There is currently no evidence that the planning inspectorate has made a decision so the Hive are still waiting before they can start work properly.
A statement from TK is expected in the next few days so hopefully the situation will be clearer soon.'"
So AFAYK, London Broncos aren't based at Underhill any more and where the "New Offices" were going to be, there is now only a canopy
Keep us posted.....sounds like negotiations are getting to the interesting stage now. Maybe everyone could "hot desk"? Or we could have a port-a-cabin beside the actual offices as we did when we were at the Stoop the first time?
Brave new dawn......brave new dawn
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| Red and White Bees? You're having a laugh.
That is all.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"So AFAYK, London Broncos aren't based at Underhill any more and where the "New Offices" were going to be, there is now only a canopy
Keep us posted.....sounds like negotiations are getting to the interesting stage now. Maybe everyone could "hot desk"? Or we could have a port-a-cabin beside the actual offices as we did when we were at the Stoop the first time?
Brave new dawn......brave new dawn
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New training venue sorted, playing venue sorted, off field staff greatly improved, on field personel greatly improved in personality and spirit, kit brilliant, sponsors and partners sorted, fans more engaged, so on the whole a great improvement.
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| Quote ="PC Plum"New training venue sorted '" ...different from 2014's though and we're office-less at present it would seem.
Quote ="PC Plum"playing venue sorted,'" ..indeed, but exact financials still to be confirmed by the club.
Quote ="PC Plum"off field staff greatly improved,'" Harold Shipman and Charles Manson would have been an improvement on MacKay and let's not forget, Hughes is still "lurking"....and this team have no office to call their own apparently.
Quote ="PC Plum"on field personel greatly improved in personality and spirit '" ...lol.....really, personality and spirit? I'd rather they were all pig ignorant but could play at the highest level....
Quote ="PC Plum"kit brilliant,'" Whilst I like the Kit, it's still not in the shop and it has that god awful blue badge on it. I'm not as easily pleased as you it would seem.....
Quote ="PC Plum"sponsors and partners sorted,'" Yep...and I think these ones (some of them anyway) might be paying for the honour.
Quote ="PC Plum"fans more engaged'" The ability to relay information through the website and social media is a basic function of anyone who wishes to engage with their customers. Feel free to get a hard on for it, but I won't be applauding getting the basics right.
Quote ="PC Plum"so on the whole a great improvement.'"
Nope....it's an improvement, but nowhere near GREAT.
It may have escaped your attention, but we have less fans than we've seen in 19 seasons, are preparing to play in a division below the one we used to and are still tenants beholding to a landlord and a single benefactor. Our replica kits will again not be in the shop for xmas, which is a key selling period as identified by the other 23 teams in the 2 top tiers, our ticketing for next season is still to be confirmed and if we are truly planning for the future, then we have little in place that points to us having found a home, but yet again, a venue that is already chopping and changing the terms of our being there.
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| Yes... I asked about the new training ground and as PC Plum says it has been sorted but the player I asked wasn't allowed to say where it is - not that it really matters. The strangest thing I've found, and it was the case last season too, is that there was and will still be ZERO training on The Hive pitch itself. Many of the new lads have yet to see our home ground in the flesh!! The only positive about the new training ground is that the dimensions are identical to that of The Hive which wasn't the case at Underhill.
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| Quote ="Torbreck"Yes... I asked about the new training ground and as PC Plum says it has been sorted but the player I asked wasn't allowed to say where it is - not that it really matters. The strangest thing I've found, and it was the case last season too, is that there was and will still be ZERO training on The Hive pitch itself. Many of the new lads have yet to see our home ground in the flesh!! The only positive about the new training ground is that the dimensions are identical to that of The Hive which wasn't the case at Underhill.'"
all the pitches in the hive complex are the same size.....it doesn't take einstein to figure out that we will train on one of them.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...different from 2014's though and we're office-less at present it would seem..'"
I should've responded to this claim previously but couldn't be bothered.
My original post was regarding where Broncos would train and not claiming they where office-less. Let me explain.
As you can imagine Underhill is comprised of several buildings.
1. Pavilion
Currently Broncos fitness gym and on land owned by the council adjacent to Underhill stadium and behind the Durham Suite. Not part of any sale.
2. Durham Suite
Fairly modern brick built offices and conference facility in the South west corner of the ground. Has separate access from the rest of the stadium via an access road. This may\may not be part of the sale, but if it is then it is likely to be retained in any future development and usable while development progresses.
3. South Stand
Modern 6 year old demountable stand adjacent to durham suite that Broncos currently use the internal space and existing plans are for it to be moved to the Hive to become the North stand once approved.
4. Main stand
Old and full of asbestos, requiring specialist work to dismantle
5. Other Buildings
North & North west turnstyles, East terrace and family stand are all unused. All will need demolishing to make way for whatever is built.
Hopefully this gives you enough to see that the buildings that will need to be demolished are not the buildings in use by the Broncos as office space. Yes I think they will need to move at the point planning has been approved and the South stand is taken down by, but that is not now. If demolition work is to commence then I suspect it will be to remove turnstyles and start dismantling the main stand
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