You know I actually dont mind losing to a batter team, just as long as we make an effort

What really does upset me is having the game in our pocket and basically giving it away. First half today against Hull was a real arm wrestle.
2nd half half ok silly try right at the restart, then we were in total control for 20-25 minutes Hull were camped on there line and on the last were kicking from inside there own 40-if not 30
Then on last tackle!!!!!! TWICE we gave away stupid penalties, 1 for a punch second for a head shot. The game was ours those 2 offences IMO were the reason we lost.
Games swing between teams being donminant but today!! Bugger I could crush a grape

Sky Sports just showed some of what seemed to be the last Hull tries and the tackling seemed like "touch rugby" allowing them to just waltz through, after having such an impressive lead also.

I think most of the squad need to have a long hard look at themselves tonight. The commitment stopped half way through the second half.
Karl Pryce !!!! what exactly does he do apart from look down on everybody else and lumber about like the BFG!!!!
Easter came early for Hull today.
We can't blame this defeat on the coach, the buck stops entirely with the 19 that were out there today.

As a Hull fan who wasn't at the game I am interested in the thoughts of you guys. Was it purely down to you switching off or did we up the pace towards the end?

First game I have been to for a long while and I was very disappointed with our effort in the last 20 minutes. After the false dawn of the first few games we have reverted to type and our defense went walkabout too often especially after we went 30-16 up.

The soft penalty given away by Howell when we had them pinned well in their own half was scandalous. If Rob Powell has got anything about him he should dock him a weeks wages. They went straight up the park and scored and in my opinion that was the turning point in the game. After that we just weren't in it.

Was very impressed by Gale and Ellis especially in attack. Gales kicking was good which is more than can be said for Randall's. We desperately need a decent half back to play alongside Gale. Randall is slow, ponderous and predictable. There were times when he had ball in hand and he didn't know what to do with it.

I think we should send Pryce back to Wigan. He looked so disinterested, out of his depth and ambled back into the defensive line. He looked good going forward with the ball in hand but he's a luxury we cannot afford.

I just hope Rob Powell can get it sorted before my next visit on 22 April.

We didn't just switch off, we had a bloody power cut !!!

There may not be many games left over the season that we can say 'this one is winnable' once we get hit by injuries etc. but this was definately one of them.

To literally throw it away in such stupid fashion was unforgiveable. I have to watch the tries at 9.30 tonight to convince myself that what I saw before my own eyes really happened - three men on the line stood still refusing to come of the line to close down Sam Obst and let him charge over for a soft try - someone tell me i got it wrong.
And can the coach please get JOC some serious coaching at catching the ball before we give any more repeat sets of 6 on our own line. (p.s. Can Caro catch?

To repeat what Ive said before, Ellis is a star hooker - did the fans notice how we played so poorly when he went off and came back to life when he returned? Randall is NOT a SH and should be rotated at hooker to make sure we keep the team going forward with our running from dummy half. Play Mellor at DH or if Wigan want to keep him give Sargison his chance. Rant over untill I see the tries at 9.30. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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Powell said: "We need to ask just how many times do we have to win a game? We had it won and then threw it away and that is just not acceptable.

"We have to be able to put games to bed and that is something we need to learn as a side.

"Panic set in at times at the end and we started conceding penalties and that really cost us.

"We have to learn to be a lot smarter as we controlled the game for spells and deserved more."

Ellis was actually very good, as was wilkes

having a go at JOC hmmmmm i thought the lad played pretty well, it does confuse me sometimes with kicks like that, why not let em take it and batter em soon as there feet touch the ground, they were far enough away from the touch line

Mr Z H. i did notice that you lot upped yr game a bit with respect to the speed of the play the ball but apart from that i think we had the game sorted until the silly Howell penalty and the momentum swung to you and we could not stop it
to be up 30-16 with what was it 10 mins to go? unforgivable

and a quick question is boots and all the tries not on 2 morro who shows the tries at 9-30

The Howell penalty on the 5th tackle was the turning point in the game-As Clarke says on Sky certain incidents change the momentum of the game- Howell gave a soft penalty with his stupid cheap shot tactics- which they then went on and scored from + 3 more

So disappointing- We will do well to beat many teams playing like that-Hull are poor.

Sky sports news-Thicket Offiah goes through them

cheers mate

Mate is a Navy rank-Please dont use it near me!

Im assuming you've never seen Martin present the try's, he is awful.

Expect to be introduced to a new dictionary or set of rugby clubs

funny thing i did bump in to a navy chat at the game today
wearign a bloody black and white shirt tho

Massive own goal by the team today.
The winning at home jinx seems to have stepped in again.
Any new spectators who turned up for the first time today, will definately think twice before coming again to see an average team, who gave away a victory that should have been theirs.
Full marks to Hull for coming back in to the game in the last 12 minutes but i don't think that either of the sides on show at the Stoop today will worry the other sides in Super League.
All in all a very depressing day.

Key moment (apart from the Howell incident - senior pros should know better) was the penalty Barnett gave away on Hulls line - silly error but its difficult to blame him. Defence was poor in parts but once Hull had the momentum it was always going to be difficult. Very disappointed with Hull - worst kicking game of most teams seen this season - Long just not with it.... Given their experience all over the park they should be doing better. After last week it was not that bad and with a few things going for us we could have got the win. Good run by Price in the second half but did he do anything else? Lamont not on the pitch for long which was a shame. Still perhaps we are back on the rails after last week - just not going far.

Dorn - was good when with ball in hand, went hands all over the place for Hulls last try, where he got palmed out of the way.
O'Callaghan - Was worked like a work horse, poor under the high ball, but still a solid performance.
Clubb - Was impressive with ball in hand, got side-stepped by Yeaman, for hisfirst, was then moved to the SR in place of Pryce who came into Centre.
Howell - Gave away the stupid penalty that in the end lost us the game, imo.
Melling - Shouldn't be on the wing, took his try well, missed too many tackles for me, including one where he really should of missed in the middle of the field, Calderwood should be on the wing.
Gale - Impressive game, did well.
Randall - Isn't a 7, no matter how long you wait for him to be a 7, he isn't. Rotate him at 9 with Ellis to keep the go-forward
Wilkes - Our best forward, made constant metres when others around him weren't quite doing it.
Ellis - Our best player, when he went off we lacked some attacking flair, but when he came back, and his runs from dummy half, greatly improved our game.
Ward - Was solid, made some metres which is rare for the guy, credit to him.
Bailey - Solid, still impressing me as our best Aussie.
Purdham - Good performance by the CAptain,
Burnett - Still impressive, gave away 2 silly penalties near the end of the game that helped Hull keep the momentum, credit to the lad, he was trying his best to put in a performance against his parent club.

Temata - Solid, made metres
Pryce - Other than the one run he made in the second half, was a passenger for most of the game, seems lazy and didn't come infield to take the ball up once. Not impressed.
Bryan - Only played around 10 minutes, wasn't that effective during his spell, didn't return during the second half.

Cannot for the life of me remember the 4th Sub.

Overall, when we had the ball in hand, we controlled the game well, untill the last 15 minutes, where our play with ball in hand should of been better, stupid last play kicks, really should of been kicking into touch and controlling the pace of the game, instead we got tackled on the last, to strong kicks, needs to improve. But we worked for our tries a lot more, if anything we deserved the win more than Hull, it was our defense that let us down, to many times they ran straight through our defense without a single man touching them, it was embarrasing, sometimes our defense kept them on their 10 metre line for their set of six, and then they miss tackles completely, sort it out boys, your defense lost you the game.

BTW, what is happening with Dave Williams? Was announced he was going on loan, but he's been down here for our last 2 games.

Lack of intelligence was the problem yesterday. Burnett gave away a stupid penalty, Howell allowed himself to get involved with Lauaki on the fifth tackle and give away a penalty - both times with Hull struggling. The team also need to know when to slow the PTB down, even if it means handing a penalty to the oppo - see Hull's winning try. Who are the onfield leaders, this was basic stuff?

I'm going to give Rob Powell a hard time too. Kouparitsas shouldn't be close to the 17 - so ssslloooow at the PTB, dreadful hands, lazy defence. There must be a half-back on the bench from now on so that only Randall and Ellis (who has been sensational in 2011) spend time at DH. And I don't understand the use of Pryce - bringing him on at right centre means making adjustments to the RHS and LHS defences which is crazy. Finally, re. Powell, Purdham was showing signs of fatigue throughout and yet he played 80 mins (I think).

So, for me, Howell and Kouparitsas out with Pryce at 4 and Mellor/Sarginson on the bench. I'm hoping Golden is available for the bench.

It's always hard to put a reason on these sort of results?

Did Quins switch off when they thought that thye had the game won or did Hull dig deep and pull a result out of the bag? Judging from the highlights it would appear that Hull got the rub of the green in the final 20 and were unstoppable. The poor attempts at tackling only hurt the London outfit and Hull had more in the tank and seemed to want the win a lot more.

This could be a big dent in the confidence of the Quins boys after shipping in a cricket score the week before they see a side lacking in confidence go away from home and snatch it from underneath their noses.

This weeks game at Bradford will be a tough ask in my opinion.

Jamie O'Callaghan, a 'solid' performance? What game were you lot watching? The lad is good with ball in hand but his defence is dreadful. Him and Pryce down the right hand side got torn to ribbons, they were useless. Even towards the end, when Chad Randall was visibly hobbling and retreated to the left hand side, Hull STILL attacked us down the right - it was that easy for them.

You have to question Powell's judgement in retaining two players down that side who simply cannot defend while a Great Britain international is whiling away hours in the stands. Very poor decision making from Rob Powell IMO.

Ironically things were going better when Clubb was playing at right centre, he was actually having a decent game as was Howell. When Powell needlessly tinkered and moved Clubb to the left, things went to pot.

Ellis was outstanding, I thought everyone else, particularly Gale, was patchy. A mixed bag but a game we should have won - Hull were very average and were playing with only one proper Half in Sean Long, who they seem to rely upon for any direction. Criminal last 20 has cost us and any illusion of us reaching the top 10 will pass very quickly unless we beat teams like this. A lot for the team (and Powell especially) to learn....

I was worried this could be more of the same from last week, but it wasn’t. The last 20mins were very poor but we played some really excellent attacking and defensive rugby early on and that says a lot about the way they had moved on. In fact we bombed two gilt edged chances down either wing, the first when Melling was tackled short, I suggest Calderwood would have had the speed to score.

We have played 7, lost 3 (unfortunately 2 of those have been at home) – would we have been happy with that at the start of the season, I suggest we would. We just need to get the train back on the tracks fully and I certainly think a win against Bradford and / or Wakefield is on the cards.

On a separate note Powell said: "We need to ask just how many times do we have to win a game? We had it won and then threw it away and that is just not acceptable.

=#008000"We have to be able to put games to bed and that is something we need to learn as a side.

"Panic set in at times at the end and we started conceding penalties and that really cost us.

"We have to learn to be a lot smarter as we controlled the game for spells and deserved more."

And therein lies the problem. For 3 years now we have not needed to close out a close game as we have largely been on the rack and well behind on the scoreboard. Even this season, we had built up such big leads against out of sorts teams we didn’t really need to close the game, but we still managed to let Leeds (2), Saints (2), Catalans (1) run in late tries and put ourselves under unnecessary pressure. I guess this comes with experience and that’s something that you cant buy, unfortunately it comes from losing in the way we did yesterday.

As a footnote, I thought the Hull support was excellent in number and voice, well done Airlie Birds.

The problems with the RHS defence can't be laid at JOC's door. Purdham at 4th man in was exhausted at 60 mins (probably earlier), Gale at 3rd man in is one of weakest defenders we have and starting with Clubb and switching to Pryce at 2nd man in is asking for trouble. By the time JOC is asked to do anything, the RHS defence has already been busted due to individual misses/poor communication/poor decision-making. Teams will continue to target the gap either side of Gale I'm afraid and he needs to build a relationship with his centre (Clubb) and he needs a high-energy defender inside him (Purdham to start, Golden as an option to spell).

It was the first of these that was the turning point for me. 30-16 up, Hull well and truly on the ropes and seemingly not having had the ball in hand in our half since before the first of our three quick tries. One of their blokes makes to play the ball no more than five yards from his own line and Burnett just walks into him and taps the ball away. Why? There was no need to slow the play down, it's not as if they might have launched a rapid attack against a broken field. They gained a good thirty yards from that penalty, then forced another set near our line with a high kick to the corner which we knocked on, and scored off that. From that moment Hull suddenly looked far more confident. The Howell penalty was brainless too, especially as he'd done well to bring the bloke down in the first place, but the game was already back in the balance by this point for me.

At 30 - 16 my friend turned to me and said "that's the match then". I told him it was too early and that Quins could lose it.

Sadly I was right.

The burnett penalty on the Hull line actually i think was pretty harsh although I was a fair distance away. It was a handover! there is no reason that they should be allowed to play the ball quickly and most refs should allow the defence to set, it looked to me like Burnett was only trying to get back to the defensive line, it is very different from having completed a tackle and then not getting out of the way
But!! like i say I was at the other end of the stand so could be wrong and the ref was closer