Uate - Should never have been signed.

Frawley - Woeful. Worst overseas half back in history to SL.

Matagi - Need to get rid ASAP.

Seb - Need to get rid ASAP.

Ferguson - Needs to retire.

Cudjoe - Needs to retire.

Murphy - Needs to retire before the game has an affect on his long term health.

Roberts - Needs to move on.

Woolford has made 3 terrible overseas signings and is severely deluded. The bloke lost all respect from me for mentioning the play offs in his presser on Tuesday. Playoffs had gone months sgo!!!

Add Bruno to the list I get that he’s defensively okay but going forward he can’t do anything no imagination

I can't recall seeing him pass the ball all season and i can only recall one line-break, He is just another big Eorl after Anderson got to coach him i know what his stats say but many of his tackles he is second and third man in, Been a good man for the Giants, but the operative word there is " been "

I have honestly been suprised everytime we have won this year other than against London, where we have always looked the better team. We really are a team of plodders, and we sure looked it tonight. All season we have relied on being given piggy backs up field from penalties to get into attacking positions because our go forward is non existent. We make good yards from our backs but when it is time for the forwards to take over, with the exception of English, Wilson and sometimes Taii we are utter gash. Lawrence, Murphy, Clough, Roberts, Seb, Walne, Ferguson and Matangi i would happily discard in an instant if it were possible. Add to this the fact that Frawley has been an utter flop and we have no partner for Gaskell and we have quite the predicament.

Once again we are linked with a quality halfback (sezer) but we can never get these signings over the line and instead get 4th and 5th rate aussies because our club now has no pulling power whatsoever. You can't really blame woolford when the players he wants simply wont come here. We have some good young players, but our experienced forwards and halves are so bad that they are very rarely given the chance to develop.

I’ve heard from someone in attendance that Ken Davy made an emotional speech after the game tonight. Talking about the fact he’s spent a small fortune on the club and if what happened tonight happens again he is walking away. Left the room in silence.
I can’t blame him. I’m not likely to go to another game this season given I miss a home game due to holiday and I don’t justify the huge cost for us to go to an away game to be disappointed.
Sobering thoughts.

I dont blame you at all. Im on holiday for the Cas game and I certainly wont be wasting anymore money away from home.

Fair play to Ken for doing that, the players are a disgrace.

On the other hand, if we could get another chairman, maybe it is time for Ken to go, if it means Thewlis losing his job. While ever Ken is in charge, Thewlis will be here and the club will be run like a shambles.

How dare you speak about Bruno and Murphy like that. Both would walk into ant other SL team apparently. Someone on twitter even tried convincing me that Murphy would get in the St Helens team the other week.

Jokes aside, I agree - both are past it. Especially Murph who will end up with some serious long term health issues if he keeps playing.

I think a big thing we’re missing and not really realising is a loose forward , there an important part of the attack and we have Bruno, Murphy or clough playing there

Spot on Giant Jake sadly there aren’t a load of wealthy businessmen willing to lose 800k a year about

I heard that too and totally understand his feelings. If that's not enough for players, coaches, backroom staff and fans to give everything from now on I don't know what is. He is a true legend of Fartown. Never mind Wagstaff etc... without Ken Davy there would be no club, there would have been no trophies, no memories. We all owe Ken the upmost respect and anyone at the club who isn't prepared to dig deep and fight to avoid relegation should stay at home this morning. I assume Ken/Richard and Simon have called everyone in to have this out. Now is the time for those who are up for the challenge.

The effort last night was poor, but to be honest, the effort in most games has been good, we just have a very poor team of journeymen, plodders, and young promise. As i said earlier, if you reflect on most matches this season we have relied on penalties or errors to get into attacking positions, when we are in the 'arm-wrestle' of gaining territory, we lose to virtually every team out there (London aside). On squad strength i put us 11th in the league, although it's a toss up between us and Hull KR for that 11th spot, we simply need better players in key positions to be competitive.

Agree with this 100%. Dread to think where we would be this season without the contributions of our young potential. Bottom really.

I’m off now to watch and support more young potential at Lockwood. They are our future ( and unfortunately our present ATM)

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while i agree with much of this I'm not convinced that the main problems at the club don't start higher than on the field, and while i am extremely grateful to Mr Davy for what he has done, he is the place where the buck stops, He is the only man who can change things and he appears to have been happy to let things go along getting lower and lower and it's something that has mystified me for a long time, It is however his club to run how he sees fit so we can just hope things will eventually turn round, but i wont be holding my breath on that one.

told you before and others, we go down and we dont have a club anymore to support.



well maybe be like batley playing at lockwood part time

right now we need leaders and fighters on the pitch

lawrence and murphy fit into that bracket

so does cudjoe

most of the salary cap is sat in the stands ...



why was mellor playing lastnight?? could have put hewitt in..another youngster, cant be any worse than mellor

Hewitt is away on Loan

Fully agree with you Jo. Ken has allowed this to happen now for far too long and you have to question his ambition for the club since we won silverware. Thewlis especially seems to get away with murder with Ken due to being a family friend.

yeh id have had him in for mellor weeks ago.

Instead of sacking thewlis, which Ken won't do, surely we should go down the route other clubs have and sign a director of rugby to take the recruitment from him?

How can you take away something he doesn’t have?

Wake up you deluded moron, who do you think hands out the long contracts?
Who has final approval on who comes in ?
Who hires and fires people?
Jesus what do you think he actually does?

Cue your usual response
Past coaches have all said they do recruitment

They ask for players he either says yes or no, he then negotiates a deal, a lot of times he brings players that either one the coach doesn’t want or two someone the coach doesn’t even know, 3 yr deal for butterworth, Woodford had no idea who he was

I’m not even going to bother reading your rant. You lost my respect after the first 5 words and I stopped reading at that point.
No point discussing anything with someone who thinks the way to win a debate is to throw personal comments. Grow up.

Thewlis does have more involvement than you think Jools. I know about an academy player who they have refused to release to take up a contract in RU immediately even though we haven't offered him one yet. The lads parents offered to pay out the remaining months of his contract too.

I also know that Woolford didn't have a clue about Butterworth, that was all Thewlis.

If Thewlis wasn't a friend of Kens, he would have been fired by now.

this is a first!

Ironic eh? Her personal attack’s n Facebook are embarrassing
To add to people paying out
George kings grandma had to lend him 10 k to allow him to go to Warrington even though Paul Anderson told him he would never be first team as Pete aspinll, josh Johnson and natheam mason we’re way ahead of him, George paid the 10k and when he made wire first team they paid it him back