what exactly are these two doing?? two former half backs and we are clueless in attack

if stone has to go then then these two should follow him out the door too, stealing wages

use the money to get shaun long in, will see some proper attacking rugby then

but then again do we have the players?

cant see anything changing soon as we have just given brough another deal so the attack will stay the same.

gone are the days of players like ferres knowing how to use their centres and wingers, totally wasted, fergsuo n and roberts cant pass, the only player we have that can pass is symonds and hes a crock.

got to feel sorry for the forwards who are laying the platform for the back to perform ...dominant in possession and territory against saints, wakey and hull kr, laughable our attack

I love the idea of Brough and Long working together. I’d give it thirty minutes before one of them belts the other!

Yeah that would be fun. Still Brearley has a point and if we had some right men in at the top they wouldn't still have them here .Some three seasons ago Giants and Leeds were in the same boat in the bottom 4, Soon after Hetherington told them get your act together or some of you big earners will be gone, Look at Leeds now and look at us.

Maybe Tony smith could make a difference if he was given proper control, whoever is in control now and for a long time is making a complete B---- of it, it all starts at the top.

The club is a shambles at the top but people on here don’t like the truth unless changes are made quickly the club is on the road to nowhere support is already declining year on year

What's Luke Robinson got to do with anything. Isn't he performing well as the Under 19's coach?

read the post.

he's an assistant with thorman to rick stone aswell as u 19's coach.

stone was given these two, he didnt get to have his own backroom staff like some coaches

also said for a long time thewlis should go but it wont happen.

one things that has been constant over the years with our garbage attack is brough, thorman and robinson.. even under anderson it was poor

I'm all for a clearout but in defence of Robbo, he's doing a great job with the Under 19's. His main focus is with them and he isn't failing them.
It's just as important to the club than other things.
If the franchising comes back his role helps prove the sucsess of our youth system.
Who'd you put in charge of the 19's?

The buck stops with the head coach- he has the final say on the game plan. Thorman and Robbo are exactly what it says -assistants- they assist stone in what he wants them to do.
Funny but I don’t actually know what position stone played- he’s never said and I can’t find it online. Anyone know?

He was a half back, played 3 games for South Sydney

Does he have the final say though?

Or does Brough have more of a say than he does? Danny has been doing the same play (hospital pass to his 2nd rower) for years.

If Danny chooses not to listen to Stone, then what can he Do?

If that is in anyway the reality then stone is a worse coach than even I thought.

Wow.
if he’s passed on all his half-back creative ability then we really are screwed.

He can drop him.

i agree, brough is one of the main problems... just too easy to play against apart from his kicks.

teams must love playing against us, we make their defence look great!

we have too many ball RUNNERS instead of ball PASSERS!

mamo - runner
rankin - runner
ferguson - runner
roberts - runner

when do we ever see ferguson or roberts pass the ball???? no wonder our wingers/centres are getting involved

gone are the days of brett hodgson and kev brwon putting the money ball passes put to the wingers and the days of ferres offloading with the one handed passes.

the only player we have who can ball play is tom symonds (a former half back in his career too) but hes a crock!! cudjoe too can put mcgillvary in but hes our for half the season and be too late once hes back.

so maybe the question should be do we have the right players???????

no questioning the effort or the props as we are dominating field position etc just too easy to predict.

maybe we should try jordan turner at half back???

we come back to brough again... failed to work with brierley, failed to work with gaskell, failing to work with rankin... hmmmmmmm maybe we should try dropping brough!!! ah well hes here till 2019 so we are stuck with it im afraid

dont think anyone has the balls to do it.

he would prob go crazy and smash the stadium up.

try rankin and turner at half back... i wouldnt be complaining just to see but then again we dont have the second rowers either

so boring wathing the likes of lawrence and roberts play

Well if it's as bad as no one dares to drop him, then we are in deeper trouble than i thought. trouble is we have no one who is any better, If Gaskill had the qualities he would still be at Saints, Rankin is no better, he is another of the " he never lets us down lot" , which we have plenty of, Put them all together and we have what we have ( a poor side )
Changes at the top and another Nathan Brown is what i see would work, but we know it's not going to happen so we will just have to slide gently down the tubes .
Mr Davy is no fool , he can see whats happening as well as you and me and yet he chooses to let things go on and on and on. What can you say, He's paying the piper.

you know what, we over achieved those years when we were in the top 4 all the time

reality is maybe the aspirations we can hope for are top 8 every season like widnes, salford... going by attendances we are ahead of these two and the table kind of goes with attendances apart from wakefield who at the moment are the ones who have taken our place of over achieving

I don't see what they can do. Rick Stone is a very Aussie in his approach and adopts a minimal risk approach and goes berserk by all accounts if players drop the ball, even in training. That sort of approach isn't really conducive to any free flowing rugby. I suspect they're under orders to run it up the pitch then kick high whilst the conditions are what they are... They might loosen up a touch if the sun ever comes out in 2018.

That’s the spirit.

We know our place.

Perhaps they are- and you know what- it’s working because we are sat on the opposition line more often than they are on ours!
The problem is the next bit- we aren’t putting on the plays to make the space- that doesn’t even always need us to make more than one pass- we just have to make the opposition unsure where the ball is going- and we are useless on that score. The only person that moves out of the line is the man who’s taking the ball in - he may as well have a sign on his head.

Yeah I'd go with that - we always tend to try and power over rather than do anything creative.

thats why we need some creative coaches..........

like topic title reads you would think these two know a thing about that

but we certainly are being coached the aussie style of rugby and its boring and not working

summer may help when our ball runners can run instead of wheelspinning on the snow

You mate are a fantasist. Against Wakefield you were only any of those things for the first 15 minutes. The game last 80 minutes and in the remaining 65 minutes you weren't and Wakefield were.

Now try and work out why Wakefield won and won easily in the end!

How pathetic, why would you get rid of 2 outstanding young british coaches because your average players aren't playing well? you do realise they only 'assist' the head coach and not actually tell the players what they want them to do? Robinson is doing a superb job with your juniors whe the hell would you want him to leave

Agree 100%